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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DDNFan" data-source="post: 6316100" data-attributes="member: 6776483">Players often say they want to play a holy knight who helps the poor and is brave, but when the time comes, fail to do that and act selfish and cowardly like any knave, thinking only of their own hides while pretending otherwise. That might not result in permanent loss of abilities, but at least temporary ones, given the severity. It might strike people as odd that people would act cowardly if their character sheet says "brave" on it, but this happens all the time. People are not perfect roleplayers, their own attachment to their characters and even their own immersion could make their own real life sense of self-preservation take a higher precedence than some abstract vow, especially if there is no consequence for breaking it. That's the crucial part.If there were no laws, no prisons, what kind of society would exist? This is getting philosophical, but it's the same point. If there is no penalty for breaking your oath, oaths will be broken like there's no tomorrow, at the most critical time, namely when your character's life is at stake. Would you sacrifice your character to save a random NPC of no consequence? It should depend on the specifics of your oath, your god, and his rules. What you're saying it seems to be, is that rules don't matter, because nobody should break them in the first place.Rules without consequence aren't worth the paper they're printed on. As as things like idle threats, for example. If you make a threat and don't follow through, then in the future no one will take them seriously.If there's a class based on Oathtaking, I expect them to be taken seriously. Oaths without consequence of violation are not to be taken seriously. Actually cannot be.</blockquote>

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