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Is Anyone Unhappy About Non-LG Paladins?
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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6316359" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>So then with this definition as a basis how do you have evil, chaotic or even neutral/unaligned/selfish paladins... it doesn't make sense... since those alignments are not in and of themselves courageous, generous or noble... and some are actively opposed to said characteristics.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If there are no restrictions to alignment for the class then the default is whatever you want to play... </p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">All these quotes do is show me that 4e, in stating paladins can be any alignment and under any god, in turn contradicts the very definition it gives the paladin class... serving only to further obfuscate what being a paladin is and means outside of a deity powered fighter... </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Unless of course I want to be a defender... then were back to the original paladin... also the blackguard came out literally years after 4e was released so there was a large stretch of time where this was not an option.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So then shouldn't paladins be required to be of an alignment (and worship a deity) that would espouse these ethos (or at least not outright contradict them)?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All PC's in my game have a "real" chance of dying... not sure how the paladin is any different in this respect... it's the default way the game is played. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think they are less likely to have a problem with it if it is stated in the description of the class because they knew what the consequences were when choosing the class... I think, if anything, they'd have a much harder time dealing with the whole... DM fiat a platoon of epic level avengers to deal with the offending paladin... that the DM decides will be the consequences out of nowhere.</p><p></p><p>I'm also unclear on why we are assuming a DM who presents... "no-win" situations... as the default? Or are you going down the... must be a bad DM line of reasoning since nowhere was this assumption stated except in your own interpretation of the issue.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 6316359, member: 48965"] So then with this definition as a basis how do you have evil, chaotic or even neutral/unaligned/selfish paladins... it doesn't make sense... since those alignments are not in and of themselves courageous, generous or noble... and some are actively opposed to said characteristics. If there are no restrictions to alignment for the class then the default is whatever you want to play... [INDENT] All these quotes do is show me that 4e, in stating paladins can be any alignment and under any god, in turn contradicts the very definition it gives the paladin class... serving only to further obfuscate what being a paladin is and means outside of a deity powered fighter... [/INDENT] Unless of course I want to be a defender... then were back to the original paladin... also the blackguard came out literally years after 4e was released so there was a large stretch of time where this was not an option. So then shouldn't paladins be required to be of an alignment (and worship a deity) that would espouse these ethos (or at least not outright contradict them)? All PC's in my game have a "real" chance of dying... not sure how the paladin is any different in this respect... it's the default way the game is played. I think they are less likely to have a problem with it if it is stated in the description of the class because they knew what the consequences were when choosing the class... I think, if anything, they'd have a much harder time dealing with the whole... DM fiat a platoon of epic level avengers to deal with the offending paladin... that the DM decides will be the consequences out of nowhere. I'm also unclear on why we are assuming a DM who presents... "no-win" situations... as the default? Or are you going down the... must be a bad DM line of reasoning since nowhere was this assumption stated except in your own interpretation of the issue. [/QUOTE]
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