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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6318827" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, that's not the same argument though.  For one, that's likely the other players arguing because the fighter or barbarian player is getting other people's characters killed.  Which does tend to make people somewhat less willing to accept, "Well, it's what my character would do". <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />In this case, the paladin wasn't doing anything particularly wrong.  Thing is, had he rolled well, he ended the fight and saved the shaman and he's the big damn hero.  The only reason he's not the hero is because he rolled badly.  I'm not sure I see that as a real violation of his tenets.  It's certainly not something the other players should be getting on his case about.  Do they similarly get on people's cases for missing three times in combat with a melee weapon?  Or whenever a monster makes it's saving through vs some save or die type spell?And, just to go back to the whole thing about DM's blocking what the player wants.  That got blown way out of proportion.  My entire argument was solely based on preference.  The DM doesn't like something, not because of any mechanical issue, or because it doesn't fit with the campaign, but because the DM simply doesn't like it.  I made the horribly entitled argument that in the sole case where the only issue is the DM happens not to like X, the DM shouldn't tell the player that he cannot play X.Heck, in your own example, do you LIKE the reckless barbarian or fighter in the campaign?  I imagine not since you bring it up as causing arguments at the table.  Yet, you let people play them.  So, what's the difference?  People will always play stuff that you personally might not like or agree with.  The only difference was, I actually said up front that I accept this and don't have a problem with it.</blockquote>

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