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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadras" data-source="post: 6324380" data-attributes="member: 6688277">Ruin Explorer has probably blocked me as he stated some time back, but here's to hoping or maybe it will be included in someone's quote in which case he might see it. As opposed to Judaic priests performing miracles every other day? So your problem here is that communication between the Pharisees and their god was lacking not the fact that they don't perform 1st-9th level miracles and therefore this makes it a poor example? It does not seem like a viable issue to dismiss Greg K's point.You were given an example of Judo-Christian God administering punishment. Greg K did not say he specifically uses earth's deities, but that's were the reference for Gods' administering punishment originates from. Whether the punishment was too severe or not is not under debate. You're moving the goal posts. Indeed deities in D&D are inspired by the same source so I'm failing to see why you so easily dismiss his examples."Most D&D Paladin codes" - which are? You might want to include the Paladin Handbook in your referencing since that is one of the first and most definitive guides to the class. I believe 3e had a book too just cannot think of the name currently - I think Exemplars of Good or something along those lines.Also bringing in versions of D&D is moving the goal posts. You cannot debate the point from a 4e angle saying it is wrong when this is debate strictly about playstyle.I believe he is not, unless your point is to move goal posts. He is drawing from the act of Gods meeting out punishment to their subjects should their subjects stray or annoy them. The fact that the myth gods are capricious was not part of the original debate, moving the goal posts again. Here he stipulates punishments exist for obedience and respect.  And here he even mentions that the subject might not even know of the transgression, but that matters not - he is reflecting the source of why punishments by deities exist in his game. Calling into question the alignment of the deities is moving the goal posts. Arguing that the deities reflected have a capricious nature is moving the goal posts. Arguing from a 4e angle on the codes of paladinhood is moving the goal posts. Greg K merely states where he draws his inspiration on meting out punishment.</blockquote>

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