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Is Anyone Unhappy About Non-LG Paladins?
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<blockquote data-quote="Savage Wombat" data-source="post: 6335084" data-attributes="member: 1932"><p>But players can, and do, "gainsay" the DM because the DM is a friend of theirs at their table. And can be negotiated with just like the players.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Establishing an alignment restriction meets the definition of "negotiated at the outset." To use your phrasing, I see this as "You think your character is X, and I'm telling you that you seem to not be role-playing X." At which point the player should probably drop out of character and directly argue with the DM over what exactly constitutes X, since they don't seem to be on the same page any more.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm beginning to lose track of your belief here. I'm not suggesting that the player should be able to tell another player what to play, but that one player's decision of what to play can be in conflict with another's. The issue is that, when the question of "should paladins be restricted to LG" is resolved, some people believe that a non-LG paladin is a non-paladin. Some of these players are DMs. I maintain that the "I think only LG paladins are paladins" crowd is not served by a "paladins can be any alignment" rule, and claiming that the second includes the first is a misunderstanding of the first group's belief. If these people are in the majority - probably not - then the game rules would be better served by accommodating their belief, just as they attempt to accommodate what the majority think a "warlock" is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Savage Wombat, post: 6335084, member: 1932"] But players can, and do, "gainsay" the DM because the DM is a friend of theirs at their table. And can be negotiated with just like the players. Establishing an alignment restriction meets the definition of "negotiated at the outset." To use your phrasing, I see this as "You think your character is X, and I'm telling you that you seem to not be role-playing X." At which point the player should probably drop out of character and directly argue with the DM over what exactly constitutes X, since they don't seem to be on the same page any more. I'm beginning to lose track of your belief here. I'm not suggesting that the player should be able to tell another player what to play, but that one player's decision of what to play can be in conflict with another's. The issue is that, when the question of "should paladins be restricted to LG" is resolved, some people believe that a non-LG paladin is a non-paladin. Some of these players are DMs. I maintain that the "I think only LG paladins are paladins" crowd is not served by a "paladins can be any alignment" rule, and claiming that the second includes the first is a misunderstanding of the first group's belief. If these people are in the majority - probably not - then the game rules would be better served by accommodating their belief, just as they attempt to accommodate what the majority think a "warlock" is. [/QUOTE]
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