Is blindness the exact same thing as invisiblity

[incognito]

Ok, I have the barty of rogue and barbarians, and I need clarification.

Uncanny dodge: you keep you dex bonus when you are flat footed or against invisible opponents.

So, I know exactly how invisibility works:

An invisible attacker gets a +2 bonus hit the character in melee or with ranged attacks. The character loses a positive Dexterity bonus to Armor Class. Trying to strike an invisibile attaker give a 50% miss chance


And I know how blindness/darkness works:

In addition to the obvious effects, a blinded creature suffers a 50% miss chance in combat (all opponents have full concealment), loses any Dexterity bonus to AC, grants a +2 bonus to attackers' attack rolls (they are effectively invisible), moves at half speed, and suffers a -4 penalty on most Strength- and Dexterity-based skills.



BUT, are they actually the same?

Does a Rogue or Barbaians uncanny dodge work when blinded? It is one thing not to be able to see your attacker - but when you are blind, or in total darkness, you can't see the ground, or your weapon, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Caliban]

Ok, I have the barty of rogue and barbarians, and I need clarification.

Uncanny dodge: you keep you dex bonus when you are flat footed or against invisible opponents.

So, I know exactly how invisibility works:

An invisible attacker gets a +2 bonus hit the character in melee or with ranged attacks. The character loses a positive Dexterity bonus to Armor Class. Trying to strike an invisibile attaker give a 50% miss chance


And I know how blindness/darkness works:

In addition to the obvious effects, a blinded creature suffers a 50% miss chance in combat (all opponents have full concealment), loses any Dexterity bonus to AC, grants a +2 bonus to attackers' attack rolls (they are effectively invisible), moves at half speed, and suffers a -4 penalty on most Strength- and Dexterity-based skills.



BUT, are they actually the same?

Does a Rogue or Barbaians uncanny dodge work when blinded? It is one thing not to be able to see your attacker - but when you are blind, or in total darkness, you can't see the ground, or your weapon, etc, etc, etc.

They are effectively the same thing as far as uncanny dodge is concerned. You still get to keep your Dex bonus to AC when blind, but it won't help you attack. (i.e. uncanny dodge won't let you make a sneak attack when you are blind, nor will it negate the miss chance when you attack someone.)

 

[mkletch]

I would say they are the same thing. It is a grey region in the rules.

It would be better, however, if your character also became invisible when blinded. That would make them the same thing...

-Fletch!

 

[incognito]

So, the only thing the blind fight feat does for Barbarian or Rogue is to 1/2 the miss chance

Yeah yeah - you knew I was going somewhere with this, right?