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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 1116258" data-attributes="member: 224">Right.&nbsp; As I said, it may be a better model that Spike Stones.Right.&nbsp; But you're missing a few parts:
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<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Many creatures will fail that first Ref save.&nbsp; For most creatures and character classes, Ref is not their good save. 
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<li data-xf-list-type="ul">They have to make the save each round they're in the effect, or become entangled.&nbsp; For many creatures, that'll be 2 Ref saves. 
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<li data-xf-list-type="ul">If they fail, they become entangled.&nbsp; Then they'll need a successful Strength or Esc. Artist check, DC 20, to move. 
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<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Even if they fail that escape check, they'll take damage.</li>
</ul>To be honest, I'm imagining what would happen to Riva if a Briar Web was centered on him.......&nbsp; Even while raging he has only a 35% chance of escaping each round.....and as a Ftr/Bbn, his Ref save is....uhmm....low.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; Working that out roughly, given chance of failure of either the save or the escape attempt.....that comes out to 4 to 8 rounds stuck in the spell!&nbsp; Ouch!(Oooooooo!&nbsp;&nbsp; That sounds fun!&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;insert DM evil laugh&gt;)If it's the flavor text that bothers you....well, we just change the flavor text.&nbsp; Simple enough.Still, I think we can try it as you propose.&nbsp; I don't mean to take the spell away from our besieged druid; I do intend on making it a 2nd level spell.&nbsp; How about 20 ft radius and 1d4 hp damage, no save, for any action.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nail, post: 1116258, member: 224"] Right. As I said, it may be a better model that [i]Spike Stones[/i]. Right. But you're missing a few parts:[list][*]Many creatures will fail that first Ref save. For most creatures and character classes, Ref is not their good save. [*]They have to make the save [i]each round[/i] they're in the effect, or become entangled. For many creatures, that'll be 2 Ref saves. [*]If they fail, they become entangled. Then they'll need a successful Strength or Esc. Artist check, DC 20, to move. [*]Even if they fail that escape check, they'll take damage.[/list] To be honest, I'm imagining what would happen to Riva if a Briar Web was centered on him....... Even while raging he has only a 35% chance of escaping each round.....and as a Ftr/Bbn, his Ref save is....uhmm....low. :) Working that out roughly, given chance of failure of either the save or the escape attempt.....that comes out to 4 to 8 rounds stuck in the spell! Ouch! (Oooooooo! That sounds fun! <insert DM evil laugh>) If it's the flavor text that bothers you....well, we just change the flavor text. Simple enough. Still, I think we can try it as you propose. I don't mean to take the spell away from our besieged druid; I do intend on making it a 2nd level spell. How about 20 ft radius and 1d4 hp damage, no save, for any action. [/QUOTE]

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