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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 1278828" data-attributes="member: 224">Me too. As a DM:&nbsp;&nbsp; The problems with the spell, as written in the DotW (3.0e), is it's AoE and damage.&nbsp; Taken together with range and duration, as a package, the spell isn't 2nd level.&nbsp; In my game, after discussion with players, we've reduced the AoE to a 20' radius, and the damage to 1d6 if entangled and taking an action.My understanding is that our group can &quot;playtest&quot; this change, and see if it's too much, too little, or &quot;just wrong&quot;.As a player of a 6th lvl elven ranger:&nbsp; &nbsp; It was a &quot;one-shot&quot;, one meeting adventure.&nbsp; The DM didn't have alot of experience with playing HIll Giants.&nbsp; But he's gamed for decades, and knows tactical combat.&nbsp; Asking if he is a &quot;moron&quot; is nothing but flame-bait.&nbsp; As for the hill giant tactics: they were excellent.&nbsp; They were illusionarily disguised as elves, and walked right up to us before we caught on.&nbsp; When revealed, they had greatclubs and armor, but they did not have sacks of throwing stones with them.&nbsp; Given the circumstance, this was quite reasonable.Fortunately, us players had good tactics too, won init, and cast multiple entangles.&nbsp; The rest was just mop-up.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; Entangle, too, is not a 1st level spell, IMHO.In the future, Saeviomagy, you may want to concider the possibility that the people you are posting about are not morons.....heaven forbid, they might even be experienced gamers.&nbsp; I understand that some of us are even capable of writing complete sentences.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nail, post: 1278828, member: 224"] Me too. [u]As a DM:[/u] The problems with the spell, as written in the DotW (3.0e), is it's AoE and damage. Taken together with range and duration, as a package, the spell isn't 2nd level. In my game, after discussion with players, we've reduced the AoE to a 20' radius, and the damage to 1d6 if [i]entangled[/i] and taking an action. My understanding is that our group can "playtest" this change, and see if it's too much, too little, or "just wrong". [u]As a player of a 6th lvl elven ranger:[/u] It was a "one-shot", one meeting adventure. The DM didn't have alot of experience with playing HIll Giants. But he's gamed for decades, and knows tactical combat. Asking if he is a "moron" is nothing but flame-bait. As for the hill giant tactics: they were excellent. They were illusionarily disguised as elves, and walked right up to us before we caught on. When revealed, they had greatclubs and armor, but they did [u]not[/u] have sacks of throwing stones with them. Given the circumstance, this was quite reasonable. Fortunately, us players had good tactics too, won init, and cast multiple [i]entangles[/i]. The rest was just mop-up. :) [i]Entangle[/i], too, is not a 1st level spell, IMHO. In the future, [b]Saeviomagy[/b], you may want to concider the possibility that the people you are posting about are not morons.....heaven forbid, they might even be experienced gamers. I understand that some of us are even capable of writing complete sentences. [/QUOTE]

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