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Is Chaotic Neutral the Good Man's Evil?
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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6562355" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>No. A CN person must avoid as much as possible actively doing evil (or good for that matter). If the CN person consistently actively advocates for evil or good, they should adjust their alignment accordingly. </p><p></p><p>For example, it is CN to live according to the maxim: "Harm no one; do as you will." A CN person tries to avoid putting himself in anyone's debt, or putting anyone in debt to him. He sees life as best lived as a series of freely entered personal agreements that are ideally mutually beneficial to all involved. On the other hand, he believes he has unlimited right to redress any invasion of his personal freedoms.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, this is an evil act, but might be in character for a CN person if he believed that you were wrong to withhold the book and that he was doing you know real harm in taking it. However, that sort of self-justification of committing harm (theft, terrorizing others) quickly will veer into CE if it becomes habitual.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Leaving aside the question of morality, this is just a jerk move. But again, note that he's actively engaged in committing harm here. As a CN, he was under no obligation to sacrifice himself to protect or save other party members, but to actively take an action that harmed them (closing the doors) in order to save himself veers into CE territory.</p><p></p><p>If the player in question wishes to continue in CN, he should recognize that these actions were a departure from his character and show contrition (in character) about them. Specifically, he's incurred debt toward other party members that he needs to repay to balance the accounts. (Conversely, a good person does good to others with no expectation of repayment, and an evil person does evil to others with no expectation of repayment.) Each of these evil acts now demands a corresponding act of generosity towards his victims for the harm he's down to their personal freedom. Note this contrition and feeling of guilt is somewhat different than what a good person would experience in the same situation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorta. It's the definition of Chaotic Evil alignment. A Lawful Evil person isn't screwing people over for personal gain, but instead screwing people over for the gain of others (specifically the community he believes he belongs too). A Neutral Evil person doesn't need a reason to screw people over - creating misery and destruction is reason enough unto itself.</p><p></p><p>A basic rule of thumb:</p><p></p><p>Good: constructive, joy</p><p>Evil: destructive, power</p><p>Law: community, external</p><p>Chaos: individual, internal</p><p></p><p>Each of those stances is an active stance that requires the character to engage in actively promoting and advocating for the thing he believes in. By contrast, the neutral component of either axis is the passive component which avoids actively engaging in either behavior. For example, observing an injustice being performed or suffering occuring, the good/evil axis responds:</p><p></p><p>Good: This is wrong; I must put a stop to this.</p><p>Evil: This is an opportunity for advancement; I must participate in this.</p><p>Neutral: This isn't my concern; I must not get involved.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6562355, member: 4937"] No. A CN person must avoid as much as possible actively doing evil (or good for that matter). If the CN person consistently actively advocates for evil or good, they should adjust their alignment accordingly. For example, it is CN to live according to the maxim: "Harm no one; do as you will." A CN person tries to avoid putting himself in anyone's debt, or putting anyone in debt to him. He sees life as best lived as a series of freely entered personal agreements that are ideally mutually beneficial to all involved. On the other hand, he believes he has unlimited right to redress any invasion of his personal freedoms. So, this is an evil act, but might be in character for a CN person if he believed that you were wrong to withhold the book and that he was doing you know real harm in taking it. However, that sort of self-justification of committing harm (theft, terrorizing others) quickly will veer into CE if it becomes habitual. Leaving aside the question of morality, this is just a jerk move. But again, note that he's actively engaged in committing harm here. As a CN, he was under no obligation to sacrifice himself to protect or save other party members, but to actively take an action that harmed them (closing the doors) in order to save himself veers into CE territory. If the player in question wishes to continue in CN, he should recognize that these actions were a departure from his character and show contrition (in character) about them. Specifically, he's incurred debt toward other party members that he needs to repay to balance the accounts. (Conversely, a good person does good to others with no expectation of repayment, and an evil person does evil to others with no expectation of repayment.) Each of these evil acts now demands a corresponding act of generosity towards his victims for the harm he's down to their personal freedom. Note this contrition and feeling of guilt is somewhat different than what a good person would experience in the same situation. Sorta. It's the definition of Chaotic Evil alignment. A Lawful Evil person isn't screwing people over for personal gain, but instead screwing people over for the gain of others (specifically the community he believes he belongs too). A Neutral Evil person doesn't need a reason to screw people over - creating misery and destruction is reason enough unto itself. A basic rule of thumb: Good: constructive, joy Evil: destructive, power Law: community, external Chaos: individual, internal Each of those stances is an active stance that requires the character to engage in actively promoting and advocating for the thing he believes in. By contrast, the neutral component of either axis is the passive component which avoids actively engaging in either behavior. For example, observing an injustice being performed or suffering occuring, the good/evil axis responds: Good: This is wrong; I must put a stop to this. Evil: This is an opportunity for advancement; I must participate in this. Neutral: This isn't my concern; I must not get involved. [/QUOTE]
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