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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6562387" data-attributes="member: 4937">Indeed.The proper response to IC jerk moves is to respond IC to them.&nbsp;&nbsp; The sorcerer is an outlier in the group.&nbsp; His relationship to the rest of the group is basically that of a mercenary.&nbsp; He doesn't agree with their methods or their goals, and his own beliefs are distasteful to them.&nbsp; He's in this for his own benefit.&nbsp;&nbsp; He's made it abundantly clear just how limited his sense of loyalty, attachment, and concern for the other PC's is.&nbsp; It would be incredibly surprising if the party didn't reevaluate whether to boot the sorcerer off the island.&nbsp; I personally would consider that a good scene, with the CN sorcerer being forced to evaluate what value he has in continuing with the group (presumably larger than he's been willing to admit).&nbsp;&nbsp; The thing is, even from a CN perspective, the party has a valid complaint.&nbsp; If the relationship isn't mutually beneficial, why should it continue?&nbsp; Aren't they free to go their own way?&nbsp;&nbsp; It's not like the party is angry at him for not throwing himself in front of the charging dire rhino.&nbsp;&nbsp; The party might not have a right to ask him to sacrifice himself for their interests, but they have a reasonable expectation that he won't be actively working against their interests.And if the player really feels the character is like, &quot;Screw you.&nbsp; My interests and needs are more important yours.&quot;, then maybe it's time to mark down CE... and possibly retire the character and start a new one that fits in more.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6562387, member: 4937"] Indeed. The proper response to IC jerk moves is to respond IC to them. The sorcerer is an outlier in the group. His relationship to the rest of the group is basically that of a mercenary. He doesn't agree with their methods or their goals, and his own beliefs are distasteful to them. He's in this for his own benefit. He's made it abundantly clear just how limited his sense of loyalty, attachment, and concern for the other PC's is. It would be incredibly surprising if the party didn't reevaluate whether to boot the sorcerer off the island. I personally would consider that a good scene, with the CN sorcerer being forced to evaluate what value he has in continuing with the group (presumably larger than he's been willing to admit). The thing is, even from a CN perspective, the party has a valid complaint. If the relationship isn't mutually beneficial, why should it continue? Aren't they free to go their own way? It's not like the party is angry at him for not throwing himself in front of the charging dire rhino. The party might not have a right to ask him to sacrifice himself for their interests, but they have a reasonable expectation that he won't be actively working against their interests. And if the player really feels the character is like, "Screw you. My interests and needs are more important yours.", then maybe it's time to mark down CE... and possibly retire the character and start a new one that fits in more. [/QUOTE]

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