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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7828547" data-attributes="member: 23751">It really doesn't matter, though.&nbsp; The instant the bard uses bard specific abilities, including singing to cast spells, the jig is up.&nbsp; The same when the cleric presents the holy symbol and prays for his spells.From the 5e bard spellcasting mechanic...&quot;You have learned to untangle and reshape the fabric of reality in harmony with your wishes and music.&quot;Music is required for the bard to cast his spells unless the DM allows otherwise.&nbsp; Would I make that allowance?&nbsp; Sure.&nbsp; But I'm not going to pretend it's part of the class.Yep.&nbsp; You can sing a prayer, which will be easily recognized as a prayer.That would depend on the god.&nbsp; Each god has a distinctive holy symbol.&nbsp; It's not like a cleric can pick up a rock and use it as the holy symbol of Mystra.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7828547, member: 23751"] It really doesn't matter, though. The instant the bard uses bard specific abilities, including singing to cast spells, the jig is up. The same when the cleric presents the holy symbol and prays for his spells. From the 5e bard spellcasting mechanic... "You have learned to untangle and reshape the fabric of reality in harmony with your wishes[B] and music.[/B]" Music is required for the bard to cast his spells unless the DM allows otherwise. Would I make that allowance? Sure. But I'm not going to pretend it's part of the class. Yep. You can sing a prayer, which will be easily recognized as a prayer. That would depend on the god. Each god has a distinctive holy symbol. It's not like a cleric can pick up a rock and use it as the holy symbol of Mystra. [/QUOTE]

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