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Is character death acceptable in 4e? If so, how often?
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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4819282" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Should be noticable? According to what rules or guidelines?</p><p></p><p>Fixed states of health like bloodied and not bloodied are in the guidelines of what is observable. On page 27 of the DMG.</p><p></p><p>But, hit points are not observable:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How exactly do PCs make Perception rolls to notice that one PC is more out of luck and skill and resolve and physical endurance than another?</p><p></p><p>PC: "Mr. DM, is Bob more out of luck, or is Sally more out of luck?"</p><p></p><p>One cannot have it both ways. Either Hit Points are damage and only damage and that damage can be noticed via Perception, or they are a bunch of non-tangible factors which cannot be noticed.</p><p></p><p>Bloodied can be noticed because it is explicitly stated in the DMG that it can be noticed.</p><p></p><p>You are adding rules or guidelines which are not there whereas the guideline in the DMG does limit player knowledge of things in the PC's environment (including other PCs) to PC knowledge.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The best guideline is to allow it for what the game allows and then talk with your players for game mechanics that are not mentioned.</p><p></p><p>Do you know that a +2 sword is a +2 sword until you take a short rest? Do you know that an NPC has temporary hit points up? Do you know the exact AC of your foe? The exact Reflex Defense? How many hit points the NPC has? Where does one draw the line?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4819282, member: 2011"] Should be noticable? According to what rules or guidelines? Fixed states of health like bloodied and not bloodied are in the guidelines of what is observable. On page 27 of the DMG. But, hit points are not observable: How exactly do PCs make Perception rolls to notice that one PC is more out of luck and skill and resolve and physical endurance than another? PC: "Mr. DM, is Bob more out of luck, or is Sally more out of luck?" One cannot have it both ways. Either Hit Points are damage and only damage and that damage can be noticed via Perception, or they are a bunch of non-tangible factors which cannot be noticed. Bloodied can be noticed because it is explicitly stated in the DMG that it can be noticed. You are adding rules or guidelines which are not there whereas the guideline in the DMG does limit player knowledge of things in the PC's environment (including other PCs) to PC knowledge. The best guideline is to allow it for what the game allows and then talk with your players for game mechanics that are not mentioned. Do you know that a +2 sword is a +2 sword until you take a short rest? Do you know that an NPC has temporary hit points up? Do you know the exact AC of your foe? The exact Reflex Defense? How many hit points the NPC has? Where does one draw the line? [/QUOTE]
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