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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AlViking" data-source="post: 9615864" data-attributes="member: 6906980">My calculation was for a group of 5 because that's what I happened to have in my calculator spreadsheet.  I also never used the 2014 number multiplier so I doubt I would have ever considered it double deadly.  I use the 2024 guidelines now where medium encounters top out at 5,000 XP and high at 7,000.  A dozen CR 2 monsters comes in at 5,400 XP.  So a medium encounter for one of my groups and a somewhat difficult one for my other. It's been working about as expected for my groups.  But the budgets have worked well.As an example of encounter budgeting last Sunday I had a family game.  They're level 6 but there's 8 of them so I threw a CR 8 T-Rex and 3 Young Spinosaurus from Tome of Beasts 1 as stand-ins for juvenile T-Rexes.  I wanted a tough fight because I knew it was the only fight between long rests so with a medium XP budget of 8,000 and high of 11,200 I shot for 9,300.  Everyone survived but it did keep them on their toes and it helps that I know that my wife runs a very effective cleric.In 4 I wouldn't have bothered using CR 2 monsters against a 6th level party because they are more than 2 levels below the PCs and likely would have been ineffective.  But I'm not discussing specific details of encounter builds in 4 since it's been a decade since I played that.</blockquote>