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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9618124" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Isn't that a bit of a false dichotomy? You present it as a hard binary: either the game features dice and is pure gambling and nothing else, or it doesn't contain dice at all and thus can be some other kind of game. Why can't it include dice, and thus some randomness, without being exclusively a crapshoot?Okay...but if it's &quot;either I lose, or the enemy is so stupid they flub a guaranteed win&quot;, I hope you can see how some people would look at that and say, &quot;Alright, let's just wrap it up and move on.&quot; I know that hope springs eternal, but sometimes pragmatism, a thing I would think you'd appreciate given your emphasis on mercenary behavior from players, pushes toward...not doing that. Further, a lot of us just...don't really want to wait through that anymore. Maybe when I was half the age I am now, but not current me. Even getting to play the games I truly love is an incredibly rare treat, I don't want to waste that opportunity on something banal and mostly-pointless, whether that be an inevitable loss or an inexorable victory on my part.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9618124, member: 6790260"] Isn't that a bit of a false dichotomy? You present it as a hard binary: either the game features dice and is pure gambling and nothing else, or it doesn't contain dice [I]at all[/I] and thus can be some other kind of game. Why can't it [I]include[/I] dice, and thus [I]some[/I] randomness, without being exclusively a crapshoot? Okay...but if it's "either I lose, or the enemy is so stupid they flub a guaranteed win", I hope you can see how some people would look at that and say, "Alright, let's just wrap it up and move on." I know that hope springs eternal, but sometimes pragmatism, a thing I would think you'd appreciate given your emphasis on mercenary behavior from players, pushes toward...not doing that. Further, a lot of us just...don't really want to wait through that anymore. Maybe when I was half the age I am now, but not current me. Even getting to play the games I truly love is an incredibly rare treat, I don't want to waste that opportunity on something banal and mostly-pointless, whether that be an inevitable loss or an inexorable victory on my part. [/QUOTE]

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