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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6521607" data-attributes="member: 5834">Not how we do it. We have found prebuffing and sending the martials in to engage first, then moving into range more effective. The martials absorb the breath weapon, then we move in.A dragon can bypass full cover with its move. Depends on how the DM runs it. If your caster moves out, blasts, and hides behind full cover away from the martials, the dragon can swoop behind it, hammer on the caster, wing buffett, then bounce 40 feet in the air. If the caster is one casting fly and concentration is broken, the dragon has a good chance of cutting off access to itself by martials and setting itself up for an easy win. You have to be very careful how you position and what you encourage the dragon to do. We tried the back and forth behind cover. Not real effective against dragons.Very effective against many other monsters.Cutting words softens a breath weapon only slightly. As far as big melee or ranged hits, all those abilities help. Not guaranteed, but definitely helpful.How do you shutdown a breath weapon with counterspell? Or another innate AoE attack?He is not impossible to hit. Dragon closes his eyes and ignores Mirror Image. Dragon will rip through arcane ward super quickly. Blink is random. It depends on if he makes the roll. At the end of the day, the dragon can simply fly away until your duration runs out. You wasted a 2nd and 3rd level slot.You still low level aren't you? Dragons have a +11 to hit. Maybe you have better magic items or dex than I do, my AC mage armor and dex is 15. It goes up to 20 with shield. +11 to hit cracks on that AC quite easily. In fact, most stuff hits me pretty easily at level 10. I'm hoping the staff of power helps that some.They are quite tough.I know that I could kill almost any party with a well played dragon with them having a minimal chance of beating it. Other creatures, not so much.</blockquote>

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