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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6521638" data-attributes="member: 5834">That sounds painful. At least you're testing out the high level stuff as well. As much as I don't care for concentration right now, I want to see how it plays out up to 18 to 20 before I push any house rules. Maybe it won't be so bad at higher level. I might work with the bard to have him cast fly since he can concentrate on two spells at once. That would let me do some other interesting effects.And as an evoker, I'm looking forward to my level 14 ability. Maximized Bigby's Hand with a maximized 5th level scorching ray might be an end game "kill yourself while killing your enemy" end game move. Hit the dragon for 37 points guaranteed. Then launch a 10d6 scorching ray for 65 to 85 points depending on how the DM rules the Evoker extra stat damage ability works. A big 100 point hit to finish the job.</blockquote>