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<blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus" data-source="post: 871027" data-attributes="member: 1077">At the risk of sounding redundant:For those who don't know (I didn't know, so I looked it up), &quot;altruism&quot; is defined as, &quot;Unselfish concern for the welfare of others; selflessness.&quot;So we see that Good people:A) Are unselfish when it comes to the welfare (as in health and happiness) of others (others, being ALL others, not just a select few -- not just &quot;Good and Neutral&quot; people, or &quot;Only Humans, but not Half-Orcs).B) Have a respect for life (again, ALL life, not just &quot;Good/Neutral&quot; life, but, dare I say, their enemeis lives as well?)C) And a concern for the dignity (The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect.) of sentient (those who have feelings) beings.&nbsp; In a nut shell, they want to see people make the right decisions, show their worth (dignity).&nbsp; But Evil has little dignity, doesn't it?&nbsp; That is why it is up to the Good person to show then the error of their ways, and not with a blade through the heart either.Well now we all know what being &quot;Good&quot; is according to the Core RULES.&nbsp; But you didn't ask for the definition of Good did you?&nbsp; You asked for the defintion of Evil.&nbsp; Well, let's take a look shall we?Let's break this down (seems pretty cut and dry, doesn't it?):A) Hurting, oppressing, and killing others (others, not just &quot;Good&quot; others, but ALL others).B) They have no compassion (could care less) for others and kill without qualms (feeling of being distrubed about it, sickness, nausea) if doing so is convienient (Suited or favorable to one's comfort, purpose, or needs).C) Others actively pursue evil (make a concious effort to do so), killing for sport (sick, ain't it?) or out of duty to some evil deity or master.Right away let me point at letter B and go back to our sleeping fire giant example.&nbsp; Did the heroes have any compassion for the fire giants?&nbsp; It didn't appear so.&nbsp; Their first plan (which they even took the necessary steps to prepare the correct spells for) was to CdG them when they were asleep.&nbsp; This to me shows no compassion to the fire giants.&nbsp; You don't have to be friends with them, and you don't even have to like them.&nbsp; But you should at least show pity on them, their lives were obviously at the parties disposal.&nbsp; No compassion...&nbsp; When they did kill the fire giants, did they have any qualms about doing so?&nbsp; Did they show sorrow that such a decision had to be made?&nbsp; Were they sickened by the thought that they just took a life?&nbsp; Did they lose any sleep over it?&nbsp; Doesn't appear so...&nbsp; Did they CdG them because it was &quot;the only alternative&quot; or was it because it was CONVIENIENT for them to do so?&nbsp; They sure seemed comfortable doing it.&nbsp; So comfortable in fact that they designed an elaborate plan to sneak past other enemies just to accomplish the task.&nbsp; It also suited their purposes and needs.&nbsp; Basically, to end their lives was their purpose.&nbsp; And they succeeded.Now lets look at letter C because this does throw a little wrench into things slightly.&nbsp; Letter C suggest that while some people ACTIVELY seek to do evil, make a concious effort to do so (praying to evil gods and such), others do not.&nbsp; So while the party CdGed these sleeping fire giants, I don't think they did so because they were actively seeking to do evil.&nbsp; Their ACTIONS were Evil, but they (at least at that point in time) MAY not have necessarily been Evil.&nbsp; I say this because, who knows if this is the first time they did this or if they always deal with enemies this way.&nbsp; If this was the first time they CdG helpless foes, then I'd give them a slap on the wrist.&nbsp; Maybe have the DM describe they don't feel as &quot;fulfilled&quot; as they thought they would by killing them (those who wish to remain Good/Neutral anyway).&nbsp; Others who may be Evil in the group, or who have no problem with turning Evil may care less.&nbsp; Now if they have a history of killing off helpless enemies and show a lack of &quot;compassion&quot; for doing so, and they don't feel &quot;disturbed&quot; when doing so, or don't &quot;lose any sleep&quot; over it because it is &quot;convienient&quot; for them to do so, rather than seek other &quot;alternatives&quot; with their enemies...&nbsp; Well, I'd say they are Evil.Daniel [/B]</blockquote>[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="RigaMortus, post: 871027, member: 1077"] At the risk of sounding redundant: For those who don't know (I didn't know, so I looked it up), "altruism" is defined as, "Unselfish concern for the welfare of others; selflessness." So we see that Good people: A) Are unselfish when it comes to the welfare (as in health and happiness) of others (others, being ALL others, not just a select few -- not just "Good and Neutral" people, or "Only Humans, but not Half-Orcs). B) Have a respect for life (again, ALL life, not just "Good/Neutral" life, but, dare I say, their enemeis lives as well?) C) And a concern for the dignity (The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect.) of sentient (those who have feelings) beings. In a nut shell, they want to see people make the right decisions, show their worth (dignity). But Evil has little dignity, doesn't it? That is why it is up to the Good person to show then the error of their ways, and not with a blade through the heart either. Well now we all know what being "Good" is according to the Core RULES. But you didn't ask for the definition of Good did you? You asked for the defintion of Evil. Well, let's take a look shall we? Let's break this down (seems pretty cut and dry, doesn't it?): A) Hurting, oppressing, and killing others (others, not just "Good" others, but ALL others). B) They have no compassion (could care less) for others and kill without qualms (feeling of being distrubed about it, sickness, nausea) if doing so is convienient (Suited or favorable to one's comfort, purpose, or needs). C) Others actively pursue evil (make a concious effort to do so), killing for sport (sick, ain't it?) or out of duty to some evil deity or master. Right away let me point at letter B and go back to our sleeping fire giant example. Did the heroes have any compassion for the fire giants? It didn't appear so. Their first plan (which they even took the necessary steps to prepare the correct spells for) was to CdG them when they were asleep. This to me shows no compassion to the fire giants. You don't have to be friends with them, and you don't even have to like them. But you should at least show pity on them, their lives were obviously at the parties disposal. No compassion... When they did kill the fire giants, did they have any qualms about doing so? Did they show sorrow that such a decision had to be made? Were they sickened by the thought that they just took a life? Did they lose any sleep over it? Doesn't appear so... Did they CdG them because it was "the only alternative" or was it because it was CONVIENIENT for them to do so? They sure seemed comfortable doing it. So comfortable in fact that they designed an elaborate plan to sneak past other enemies just to accomplish the task. It also suited their purposes and needs. Basically, to end their lives was their purpose. And they succeeded. Now lets look at letter C because this does throw a little wrench into things slightly. Letter C suggest that while some people ACTIVELY seek to do evil, make a concious effort to do so (praying to evil gods and such), others do not. So while the party CdGed these sleeping fire giants, I don't think they did so because they were actively seeking to do evil. Their ACTIONS were Evil, but they (at least at that point in time) MAY not have necessarily been Evil. I say this because, who knows if this is the first time they did this or if they always deal with enemies this way. If this was the first time they CdG helpless foes, then I'd give them a slap on the wrist. Maybe have the DM describe they don't feel as "fulfilled" as they thought they would by killing them (those who wish to remain Good/Neutral anyway). Others who may be Evil in the group, or who have no problem with turning Evil may care less. Now if they have a history of killing off helpless enemies and show a lack of "compassion" for doing so, and they don't feel "disturbed" when doing so, or don't "lose any sleep" over it because it is "convienient" for them to do so, rather than seek other "alternatives" with their enemies... Well, I'd say they are Evil. Daniel [/B][/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]

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