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<blockquote data-quote="Sejs" data-source="post: 871359" data-attributes="member: 4910"><p>So let me get this straight: This person who is a hired killer attacks me out of the blue, saying something like "Try to die clean, I need your head as proof." or whatnot. Due to some luck on my part I avoid his death attack, and normal combat starts. First round, I get lucky and go before he does; I feint as a move-equvalent action because I've got some improved feint ability and he falls for it. He's now denied his dex bonus to Ac, and I lay into him with my shortsword while he's left an opening in his defenses. Luck smiles on me again and it's a crit. I then roll my critical hit damage which comes out to 19 say, and add in my 8d6 of sneak attack because I'm a rogue of some kind - that comes up ooh, let's say 36 damage. Total from one attack, 55hp of damage. Forces the assassin to make a death from massive damage save, which he fails, and he dies. </p><p></p><p>The assassin didn't have a chance to fight back. He didn't get a single swing in on me other than his initial supprise attack; I put a hole in his defenses, and ran my blade into his heart. By your reasoning I am not evil. </p><p></p><p><strong>or</strong></p><p></p><p>Same assassin attacks me out of the blue, saying the same line about dying clean. Again he misses his death attack, again I win initiative, but instead of feinting him with my combat skills, I cast a spell to hold him still. Lucky me, he fails his will save and is held and I lay into him with my shortsword while he's got an opening in his defenses. I again stab him thru the heart, but since he's been given pause thru my enchantment it's a coup de grace instead of just a normal attack. I roll damage, same crit, same 55hp damage, etc etc, he fails his fort save and dies.</p><p></p><p>Again, the assassin didn't have a chance to fight back. He didn't get off a single swing on me other than his initial supprise attack; I put a hold in his defenses, and ran my blade into his heart. By your reasoning I am evil.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But what probably gets me the most is your constant assumption that there's somewhere 'better' to take wrongdoers to. That there's some repository for other people's problems that you can just mosey up to, drop off your bound hired killer / rapist / soulsucker / world-destroying archvillian / jaywalker where they'll gladly take them off your hands, ask you to sign a few forms, and wish you good travels like you were dropping the kids off at daycare. What if there <u>is</u> no Arkhamm Asylum, Batman? What if there is no kingdom that wants to deal with your problems? Hell, what if the people you just bound and gagged were their guys to begin with? Or no, maybe I should just disarm them and say "Now you stop all this killing people for money nonsense, and go straight. I'm keeping your knives young man, you can have them back when you learn to get along with others.". Maybe put them in time out until they learn their lesson. Or maybe I should knock them out, so they can come back later and try and kill me again. Heck, I should probably be around a whole bunch of people they could use as leverage against me by killing or making hostage, too. Even if they get the idea that they shouldn't mess with me and leave me alone forever more after I disarm them or knock them out, I'm sure the next person they slit the throat of is going to give me a big ol' thumbs up for letting this person go. I mean sure, they're dead, but at least I took the red spandex-wearing moral highroad. </p><p></p><p></p><p>The funny thing is, last time I looked foolish was a function of my intelligence attribute, not a requirement of my alignment. You bring up mercy alot - the fact of the matter is not everyone is deserving of mercy. There are people who, offered redemption, will spit if back in your face with a mouthful of poison.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sejs, post: 871359, member: 4910"] So let me get this straight: This person who is a hired killer attacks me out of the blue, saying something like "Try to die clean, I need your head as proof." or whatnot. Due to some luck on my part I avoid his death attack, and normal combat starts. First round, I get lucky and go before he does; I feint as a move-equvalent action because I've got some improved feint ability and he falls for it. He's now denied his dex bonus to Ac, and I lay into him with my shortsword while he's left an opening in his defenses. Luck smiles on me again and it's a crit. I then roll my critical hit damage which comes out to 19 say, and add in my 8d6 of sneak attack because I'm a rogue of some kind - that comes up ooh, let's say 36 damage. Total from one attack, 55hp of damage. Forces the assassin to make a death from massive damage save, which he fails, and he dies. The assassin didn't have a chance to fight back. He didn't get a single swing in on me other than his initial supprise attack; I put a hole in his defenses, and ran my blade into his heart. By your reasoning I am not evil. [b]or[/b] Same assassin attacks me out of the blue, saying the same line about dying clean. Again he misses his death attack, again I win initiative, but instead of feinting him with my combat skills, I cast a spell to hold him still. Lucky me, he fails his will save and is held and I lay into him with my shortsword while he's got an opening in his defenses. I again stab him thru the heart, but since he's been given pause thru my enchantment it's a coup de grace instead of just a normal attack. I roll damage, same crit, same 55hp damage, etc etc, he fails his fort save and dies. Again, the assassin didn't have a chance to fight back. He didn't get off a single swing on me other than his initial supprise attack; I put a hold in his defenses, and ran my blade into his heart. By your reasoning I am evil. But what probably gets me the most is your constant assumption that there's somewhere 'better' to take wrongdoers to. That there's some repository for other people's problems that you can just mosey up to, drop off your bound hired killer / rapist / soulsucker / world-destroying archvillian / jaywalker where they'll gladly take them off your hands, ask you to sign a few forms, and wish you good travels like you were dropping the kids off at daycare. What if there [u]is[/u] no Arkhamm Asylum, Batman? What if there is no kingdom that wants to deal with your problems? Hell, what if the people you just bound and gagged were their guys to begin with? Or no, maybe I should just disarm them and say "Now you stop all this killing people for money nonsense, and go straight. I'm keeping your knives young man, you can have them back when you learn to get along with others.". Maybe put them in time out until they learn their lesson. Or maybe I should knock them out, so they can come back later and try and kill me again. Heck, I should probably be around a whole bunch of people they could use as leverage against me by killing or making hostage, too. Even if they get the idea that they shouldn't mess with me and leave me alone forever more after I disarm them or knock them out, I'm sure the next person they slit the throat of is going to give me a big ol' thumbs up for letting this person go. I mean sure, they're dead, but at least I took the red spandex-wearing moral highroad. The funny thing is, last time I looked foolish was a function of my intelligence attribute, not a requirement of my alignment. You bring up mercy alot - the fact of the matter is not everyone is deserving of mercy. There are people who, offered redemption, will spit if back in your face with a mouthful of poison. [/QUOTE]
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