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<blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus2" data-source="post: 872514" data-attributes="member: 11586">Well.&nbsp; There were a lot of big words in there, so I'm not sure if an insult was snuck in there or not.&nbsp; Anyway...&nbsp; Things you took as insults honestly were not (until the point I felt I was being insulted).&nbsp; They were meant jokingly at best, and sarcastic at worst.&nbsp; The only apology I will give is that I am sorry you took what I said as an insult, when I didn't intend it to be.&nbsp; I will also apologize for my lack of &quot;thinking up something better&quot; to say.&nbsp; For example, instead of using the word &quot;narrow-minded&quot; in my post (which I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone in particular) I could have phrased it better than that with a less insulting word (insulting as you took it, not as I meant it).&nbsp; I tried to explain what I meant by that.&nbsp; That people seemed to take the easy way out (kill stuff) rather than take time to think of other alternatives.&nbsp; I basically wanted to say that sentenace in 1 or 2 words, what I came up with was &quot;narrow-minded&quot;.&nbsp; My bad if you took it as an insult, it was meant that way.&quot; in which PCs kill first and ask questions later&quot;Now this I want to bring special attention to.&nbsp; I don't see how this could be taken as an insult.&nbsp; This was my observation, and I stand by it 100% ONLY from the descriptions people have been posting here.&nbsp; To ME, it seems that people who are in favor of killing &quot;evil&quot; just because they are evil and deserve to die are killing first and asking questions later.&nbsp; That is just how I see it.&nbsp; Sorry if you disagree.That being said, I'll stop (at least try to) with the insults as well.&nbsp; But be warned, I fully plan to joke when I want to make a funny, or be sarcastic with no ill-intent in mind.I see where you are coming from.&nbsp; The cultist fall into the second category of evil, as in &quot;actively seeking it&quot;.&nbsp; So there is no question that they aren't evil.&nbsp; The question then becomes, &quot;how do we, the good guys, deal with them.&quot;&nbsp; I won't give any critisim because (a) I don't want you to think I am insulting you and (b) there really isn't any.&nbsp; You said you try other methods (negotions) and you mentioned how you don't kill those that surrendered.&nbsp; The fact of the matter is, these are evil beings and you KNOW they are up to no good.&nbsp; You mention that taking them to a dungeon or what not is no plausable.&nbsp; So what other recourse do you have?&nbsp; If you don't think you have any other recourse, then you got to do what you got to do.The only thing I am iffy about is when you say you execute the cultist.&nbsp; As a &quot;Good&quot; person I don't know if I would do that.&nbsp; But as you said, what else can you do?&nbsp; Tie them up and leave them?&nbsp; How many times will you have to do this?&nbsp; Eventually you'll run out of rope.As far as the barghest and what not.&nbsp; This falls under my &quot;usually evil or always evil&quot; category.&nbsp; In this case, it happens to be true.&nbsp; They are evil, and you know why they are evil (they are working with cultist).&nbsp; You've given very good background.&nbsp; Now these sleeping fire giants.&nbsp; There are just too many questions unanswered to go up to them and CdG them.What race are these cultists?&nbsp; Human?&nbsp; Let's say they are.&nbsp; Let's say you come up to a camp of sleeping humans in black robes that bear unholy symbols and marks.&nbsp; You do not KNOW if they are cultists or not (although they are dressed like it).&nbsp; Do you just go up and CdG them?&nbsp; I would say not.&nbsp; The sleeping giants are the same.&nbsp; They appear evil (because they are fire giants and by default people think they are all evil, just as the humans appear evil because they are wearing unholy marks), but you do not know if they are fire giant cultist or fire giants sent out to make a new life for themselves because they didn't share the same views as their brethern.&nbsp; They may still be evil, but are trying and willing to turn over a new leaf (Good to Evil, and Evil to Good don't happen over night, it may take them some time to realize all the wrong they caused in the past.&nbsp; &quot;I am sorry for killing indiscriminently, but are you sure it is wrong of me to own slaves?&quot;).&nbsp; Just as you don't know if the humans are really evil cultist, or people Good adventurers who are using this disguise to infiltrate their stronghold (just like you).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RigaMortus2, post: 872514, member: 11586"] Well. There were a lot of big words in there, so I'm not sure if an insult was snuck in there or not. Anyway... Things you took as insults honestly were not (until the point I felt I was being insulted). They were meant jokingly at best, and sarcastic at worst. The only apology I will give is that I am sorry you took what I said as an insult, when I didn't intend it to be. I will also apologize for my lack of "thinking up something better" to say. For example, instead of using the word "narrow-minded" in my post (which I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone in particular) I could have phrased it better than that with a less insulting word (insulting as you took it, not as I meant it). I tried to explain what I meant by that. That people seemed to take the easy way out (kill stuff) rather than take time to think of other alternatives. I basically wanted to say that sentenace in 1 or 2 words, what I came up with was "narrow-minded". My bad if you took it as an insult, it was meant that way. " in which PCs kill first and ask questions later" Now this I want to bring special attention to. I don't see how this could be taken as an insult. This was my observation, and I stand by it 100% ONLY from the descriptions people have been posting here. To ME, it seems that people who are in favor of killing "evil" just because they are evil and deserve to die are killing first and asking questions later. That is just how I see it. Sorry if you disagree. That being said, I'll stop (at least try to) with the insults as well. But be warned, I fully plan to joke when I want to make a funny, or be sarcastic with no ill-intent in mind. I see where you are coming from. The cultist fall into the second category of evil, as in "actively seeking it". So there is no question that they aren't evil. The question then becomes, "how do we, the good guys, deal with them." I won't give any critisim because (a) I don't want you to think I am insulting you and (b) there really isn't any. You said you try other methods (negotions) and you mentioned how you don't kill those that surrendered. The fact of the matter is, these are evil beings and you KNOW they are up to no good. You mention that taking them to a dungeon or what not is no plausable. So what other recourse do you have? If you don't think you have any other recourse, then you got to do what you got to do. The only thing I am iffy about is when you say you execute the cultist. As a "Good" person I don't know if I would do that. But as you said, what else can you do? Tie them up and leave them? How many times will you have to do this? Eventually you'll run out of rope. As far as the barghest and what not. This falls under my "usually evil or always evil" category. In this case, it happens to be true. They are evil, and you know why they are evil (they are working with cultist). You've given very good background. Now these sleeping fire giants. There are just too many questions unanswered to go up to them and CdG them. What race are these cultists? Human? Let's say they are. Let's say you come up to a camp of sleeping humans in black robes that bear unholy symbols and marks. You do not KNOW if they are cultists or not (although they are dressed like it). Do you just go up and CdG them? I would say not. The sleeping giants are the same. They appear evil (because they are fire giants and by default people think they are all evil, just as the humans appear evil because they are wearing unholy marks), but you do not know if they are fire giant cultist or fire giants sent out to make a new life for themselves because they didn't share the same views as their brethern. They may still be evil, but are trying and willing to turn over a new leaf (Good to Evil, and Evil to Good don't happen over night, it may take them some time to realize all the wrong they caused in the past. "I am sorry for killing indiscriminently, but are you sure it is wrong of me to own slaves?"). Just as you don't know if the humans are really evil cultist, or people Good adventurers who are using this disguise to infiltrate their stronghold (just like you). [/QUOTE]

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