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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3373731" data-attributes="member: 3929"><p>Comp Arc page 139</p><p></p><p>"Triggers for contingent spells are usually events that happen to the bearer of the spell"</p><p></p><p>This is open ended, but open ended enough for the DM to rule that the bearer of the contingent spell may not be the one to consciously activate the spell. This would lead to a situation where a 15th level character has 15 contingent spells upon them for 15 different situations. Which means that for any one situation, you will only trigger one contingent spell unless you have loaded more than one egg into that situation's basket. The trigger conditions on Contingent Spell may be broken as easily as the conditions for the Ready action. Restrain the triggers for the Contingent Spell as you restrain the triggers for Ready Actions and you'll have less of a problem.</p><p></p><p>The minimum cost for a 1st level contingent spell is 1100gp, unless you allow the crafter to lower his caster level. If you do allow the crafter to lower his caster level to 1, the minimum cost would be 100gp, and the contingent spell would be dispelled at the first targeted Dispel. Tradeoff either way. And this is only 1st level spells, the casting of which will not disturb the game since the crafter of the contingent spell must be at least 11th level. If you disallow the crafter to lower his caster level, you'll have less of a problem, because suddenly Contingent Spells will become expensive; at minimum 15,300gp for a 9th level spell (17x9x100). </p><p></p><p>If targetted <em>Dispel Magic</em> is rare in your game, this will be a more powerful feat. Targeted <em>Dispels</em> are very common in the higher level games I've played in, so the power of this feat is mitigated: do you strengthen your offense by permanently upgrading your weapon, or do you sink that money into a one-time-use spell, the trigger for which may never occur, and which may be dispelled at any time? It's a horribly tenuous store of value.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felix, post: 3373731, member: 3929"] Comp Arc page 139 "Triggers for contingent spells are usually events that happen to the bearer of the spell" This is open ended, but open ended enough for the DM to rule that the bearer of the contingent spell may not be the one to consciously activate the spell. This would lead to a situation where a 15th level character has 15 contingent spells upon them for 15 different situations. Which means that for any one situation, you will only trigger one contingent spell unless you have loaded more than one egg into that situation's basket. The trigger conditions on Contingent Spell may be broken as easily as the conditions for the Ready action. Restrain the triggers for the Contingent Spell as you restrain the triggers for Ready Actions and you'll have less of a problem. The minimum cost for a 1st level contingent spell is 1100gp, unless you allow the crafter to lower his caster level. If you do allow the crafter to lower his caster level to 1, the minimum cost would be 100gp, and the contingent spell would be dispelled at the first targeted Dispel. Tradeoff either way. And this is only 1st level spells, the casting of which will not disturb the game since the crafter of the contingent spell must be at least 11th level. If you disallow the crafter to lower his caster level, you'll have less of a problem, because suddenly Contingent Spells will become expensive; at minimum 15,300gp for a 9th level spell (17x9x100). If targetted [i]Dispel Magic[/i] is rare in your game, this will be a more powerful feat. Targeted [i]Dispels[/i] are very common in the higher level games I've played in, so the power of this feat is mitigated: do you strengthen your offense by permanently upgrading your weapon, or do you sink that money into a one-time-use spell, the trigger for which may never occur, and which may be dispelled at any time? It's a horribly tenuous store of value. [/QUOTE]
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