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Is D&D 4E too "far out" to expand the market easily?
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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 4341487" data-attributes="member: 51325"><p>Here's the thing though...What makes a race "far-out"?</p><p> </p><p>I'd argue that both the half-orc and the gnome ARE more far out fantasy than dragonborn or tieflings. Outside of D&D, I'm blanking on any source of media that uses either gnomes or half-orcs. Contrast that with "monstrous" heroes/characters like Hellboy and the demons from Buffy and the concept of say "demon cursed human" is NOT far-out for the average person.</p><p> </p><p>Hell, even IN D&D fiction, Draconians have actually managed to be the stars/leading protoganists of TWO novels. (Both come from the pre-3E era), while the tieflings were the main stars of the much loved planescape setting (and also a prominent feature of the critically acclaimed videogame Planescape:torment - again, a pre 3E creation). Halflings (and kenders/hobbits) of course have shown up in popular D&D fiction (THe Halfling's Gem- the original Drizzt book so you KNOW a lot of players know about halflings)</p><p> </p><p>Half-orcs? Gnomes? Help me out here people. What media (D&D or not) that actually has gnomes NOT as comic relief (and not resembling lawn gnomes either) </p><p> </p><p>Personally, I was more surprised that they even made it to 3.x. I mean, even the designers at WOTC didn't like gnomes it seemed (both Birthright and Darksun killed off their gnomes, while the others used those annoying tinker gnomes. Not exactly good adventurer material there..)</p><p> </p><p>re: Defence of 2E</p><p>2E _IS_ fondly remembered not as a game system (it's basically 1e really) but the edition where roleplaying came to the front and the rise of the much loved campaign settings.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 4341487, member: 51325"] Here's the thing though...What makes a race "far-out"? I'd argue that both the half-orc and the gnome ARE more far out fantasy than dragonborn or tieflings. Outside of D&D, I'm blanking on any source of media that uses either gnomes or half-orcs. Contrast that with "monstrous" heroes/characters like Hellboy and the demons from Buffy and the concept of say "demon cursed human" is NOT far-out for the average person. Hell, even IN D&D fiction, Draconians have actually managed to be the stars/leading protoganists of TWO novels. (Both come from the pre-3E era), while the tieflings were the main stars of the much loved planescape setting (and also a prominent feature of the critically acclaimed videogame Planescape:torment - again, a pre 3E creation). Halflings (and kenders/hobbits) of course have shown up in popular D&D fiction (THe Halfling's Gem- the original Drizzt book so you KNOW a lot of players know about halflings) Half-orcs? Gnomes? Help me out here people. What media (D&D or not) that actually has gnomes NOT as comic relief (and not resembling lawn gnomes either) Personally, I was more surprised that they even made it to 3.x. I mean, even the designers at WOTC didn't like gnomes it seemed (both Birthright and Darksun killed off their gnomes, while the others used those annoying tinker gnomes. Not exactly good adventurer material there..) re: Defence of 2E 2E _IS_ fondly remembered not as a game system (it's basically 1e really) but the edition where roleplaying came to the front and the rise of the much loved campaign settings. [/QUOTE]
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