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<blockquote data-quote="AtomicPope" data-source="post: 4342098" data-attributes="member: 64790">The entire idea that they're targetting young people is absurd. The fact is ever since I was a kid I played D&amp;D with people older than me and younger than me. That hasn't changed a bit. D&amp;D doesn't focus on &quot;the youth.&quot; They tried that during 2nd Edition and TSR went bankrupt (granted the company was run on a shoestring but still <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm&nbsp; &nbsp; :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />). D&amp;D markets to fantasy genre lovers. Right now it's competing with so many role-playing games they really need to recarve their niche in the fantasy genre. As is stands there are many RPG's that are drawing away the D&amp;D audience and I put the 3e system at fault.&nbsp;The &quot;aggregate bonus system&quot; of 3e is just as unrealistic as 4e but forces to players to make choices based on system limitations as opposed to guided/intentional designs. I'm currently DMing a group of hard core 3e gamers in 4e. After two sessions they were hooked. The oldest is 49 while the youngest is 14. Their praises all focused on making effective characters at 1st level. I'm happy to say, &quot;there's a trait which is very un-D&amp;D like.&quot;&nbsp;Ever since I'm approached by the bandwagon haters that are now asking me to run a game for them. After hearing praises from the others they want to give it a try. Fourth edition is just trying to take the work out of gaming. Not market to a new audience.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AtomicPope, post: 4342098, member: 64790"] The entire idea that they're targetting young people is absurd. The fact is ever since I was a kid I played D&D with people older than me and younger than me. That hasn't changed a bit. D&D doesn't focus on "the youth." They tried that during 2nd Edition and TSR went bankrupt (granted the company was run on a shoestring but still :erm:). D&D markets to fantasy genre lovers. Right now it's competing with so many role-playing games they really need to recarve their niche in the fantasy genre. As is stands there are many RPG's that are drawing away the D&D audience and I put the 3e system at fault. The "aggregate bonus system" of 3e is just as unrealistic as 4e but forces to players to make choices based on system limitations as opposed to guided/intentional designs. I'm currently DMing a group of hard core 3e gamers in 4e. After two sessions they were hooked. The oldest is 49 while the youngest is 14. Their praises all focused on making effective characters at 1st level. I'm happy to say, "there's a trait which is very un-D&D like." Ever since I'm approached by the bandwagon haters that are now asking me to run a game for them. After hearing praises from the others they want to give it a try. Fourth edition is just trying to take the work out of gaming. Not market to a new audience. [/QUOTE]

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