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<blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 4343416" data-attributes="member: 5202">&quot;I look at the art of 4E, though, and I very much do see Star Wars, and a world that's extremely distant from ours, almost incomprehensible on any level other than as part of game.&quot;Which had me poke a bit o fun about demi-human neighbors, which I obviously don't have.&nbsp; The point I was trying to make was that D&amp;D has always been very distant from ours.&nbsp; The only similarity is that people in our world once wore chain mail and fought w/swords and it was ruled by humans.&nbsp; Everything else is made up fantasy, so I really don't see how 4E differs on that count than any other edition of the game has.The last great empire in the game world was a human empire. The Tiefling empire is long since past.&nbsp; Yes races live together, but that doesn't mean it isn't still human centric.&nbsp; I still stand by my statement that there has yet to be an edition of D&amp;D or a campaign setting released by TSR/WotC that was NOT humancentric.</blockquote>Now Ruin hasn't really been using the term, but I just don't get the whole &quot;wahoo&quot; angle.&nbsp; Heck, isn't wahoo something that gets shouted when you're having fun?&nbsp; So 4E has too much fun for some people? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; That's really how it comes across.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="SSquirrel, post: 4343416, member: 5202"] "I look at the art of 4E, though, and I very much do see Star Wars, and a world that's extremely distant from ours, almost incomprehensible on any level other than as part of game." Which had me poke a bit o fun about demi-human neighbors, which I obviously don't have. The point I was trying to make was that D&D has always been very distant from ours. The only similarity is that people in our world once wore chain mail and fought w/swords and it was ruled by humans. Everything else is made up fantasy, so I really don't see how 4E differs on that count than any other edition of the game has. The last great empire in the game world was a human empire. The Tiefling empire is long since past. Yes races live together, but that doesn't mean it isn't still human centric. I still stand by my statement that there has yet to be an edition of D&D or a campaign setting released by TSR/WotC that was NOT humancentric.[/QUOTE] Now Ruin hasn't really been using the term, but I just don't get the whole "wahoo" angle. Heck, isn't wahoo something that gets shouted when you're having fun? So 4E has too much fun for some people? ;) That's really how it comes across. [/QUOTE]

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