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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 4343793" data-attributes="member: 18">No, more like giving humans bonuses based on their cultural backgrounds, actually.Whilst you make the usual "my argument has failed so I will insult the very discussion I am part of" ploy, I'll ignore that silly-business and focus on what else you're saying. Particularly sales data. I agree, it will be revealing. If 4E sells MORE than 3E did in the first year, then clearly it's heading in the right direction. If it sells like 2x as much as 3E did in the first year, then clearly I'm outright wrong because that would imply a distinct market-enlarging.However, do you have any figures for 3E sales? Are we going to get any for 4E? If not it's kind of a worthless fantasy to suggest that such figures will resolve anything.I think what you fail to see with your "escalating involvement" etc. is that unless 4E has some kind of "gateway", then that's unlikely to significantly increase the number of players, merely maintain them. That's a whole other thread, though, I guess.As for complaints of "lack of specific content", well, sorry I think I've been pretty clear. This is more about style and NOT having certain elements, I think. Though, tbh, I am shocked WotC doesn't have some kind of Harry Potter-rip-off RPG on the way out. There's SURELY money in that.</blockquote>