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<blockquote data-quote="teitan" data-source="post: 6133846" data-attributes="member: 3457">I think in this context people are mistaking setting, like Forgotten Realms with assumptions of the game, like how the classes work etc implying a strong genre that can be defined as d&amp;d specific. Within the context of those assumptions one can build a world but the physics of that world, how classes work etc is strongly defined by d&amp;d as genre. sure greyhawk is sword &amp; sorcery, FR is high fantasy, ebberon is pulp, dark sun survival etc and aside from Dark Sun. But the way classes work is largely the same with Dark Sun being the setting that has the greatest variation from the base line. The extremely skeletal setting of d&amp;d for example is clerics heal, wizards do not. Fighters fight but Paladins are holy warriors that are very specific implementation of fighter &amp; cleric abilities. Each class functioned in ways that are very d&amp;d specific and not reflective of anything but d&amp;d and its own incestuous fiction.Again I am not saying it can't be a tool box but that requires heavy modification and in most cases creates a different game... thusly WOTC were doing a Ravenloft game as opposed to a setting. Ad&amp;d was a poor system for emulating gothic horror as seen in masque of the red death. Sure the world was great but the gun rules and care assumptions of hit points meant the game didn't reflect an element of the setting well at all even if the horror system worked tacked onto the ad&amp;d chassis. The treasure assumptions based on level were also built into the math making a Conan game not work as well as something like BRP or Hero. Would you call Conan d20 d&amp;d? Mongoose had to heavily modify the d&amp;d system to work with Conan. The Elric supplements from chaosium for 3e were notorious for showing how d&amp;d was a poor system for some genres of fantasy.So by setting I don't mean a campaign world. I mean a core assumption of the rules and how a world is expected to work in regards to magic etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="teitan, post: 6133846, member: 3457"] I think in this context people are mistaking setting, like Forgotten Realms with assumptions of the game, like how the classes work etc implying a strong genre that can be defined as d&d specific. Within the context of those assumptions one can build a world but the physics of that world, how classes work etc is strongly defined by d&d as genre. sure greyhawk is sword & sorcery, FR is high fantasy, ebberon is pulp, dark sun survival etc and aside from Dark Sun. But the way classes work is largely the same with Dark Sun being the setting that has the greatest variation from the base line. The extremely skeletal setting of d&d for example is clerics heal, wizards do not. Fighters fight but Paladins are holy warriors that are very specific implementation of fighter & cleric abilities. Each class functioned in ways that are very d&d specific and not reflective of anything but d&d and its own incestuous fiction. Again I am not saying it can't be a tool box but that requires heavy modification and in most cases creates a different game... thusly WOTC were doing a Ravenloft game as opposed to a setting. Ad&d was a poor system for emulating gothic horror as seen in masque of the red death. Sure the world was great but the gun rules and care assumptions of hit points meant the game didn't reflect an element of the setting well at all even if the horror system worked tacked onto the ad&d chassis. The treasure assumptions based on level were also built into the math making a Conan game not work as well as something like BRP or Hero. Would you call Conan d20 d&d? Mongoose had to heavily modify the d&d system to work with Conan. The Elric supplements from chaosium for 3e were notorious for showing how d&d was a poor system for some genres of fantasy. So by setting I don't mean a campaign world. I mean a core assumption of the rules and how a world is expected to work in regards to magic etc. [/QUOTE]

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