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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 7213261" data-attributes="member: 6785785">I was honestly going to stay out of this discussion other then my joke about hydrogen and oxygen, but this comment prompted me to respond.I know you went on to elaborate a bit, but wow do I disagree with this one statement in almost every way. Especially since you go on to describe several ways a story can interact with things. So let's remove the game aspect a bit. Let's say kids are playing pretend. They are playing make believe....that they're space rangers, let's say. What are they doing? Playing a game? There are no mechanics in the sense we tend to attribute to games. Now, think of the same group, except instead of kids, it's a bunch of adults and they're being paid to pretend so that they can create a play, or a film. Does this mean that the film is a game? Most folks would say a film is a story. A work of art. Is crafting a film or play a game, but the end product is a story? Now bring this back to players in an RPG. Aren't they all kind of doing the same thing as the kids playing make believe, or the actors making a film? Sure, there are mechanical expressions or dice rolls and so on that determine the outcomes, but is that the important element? Ultimately, I don't think there really is an answer....other than that an RPG is both a game and a story. But I don't think that the logic you've used to support your choice really holds up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 7213261, member: 6785785"] I was honestly going to stay out of this discussion other then my joke about hydrogen and oxygen, but this comment prompted me to respond. I know you went on to elaborate a bit, but wow do I disagree with this one statement in almost every way. Especially since you go on to describe several ways a story can interact with things. So let's remove the game aspect a bit. Let's say kids are playing pretend. They are playing make believe....that they're space rangers, let's say. What are they doing? Playing a game? There are no mechanics in the sense we tend to attribute to games. Now, think of the same group, except instead of kids, it's a bunch of adults and they're being paid to pretend so that they can create a play, or a film. Does this mean that the film is a game? Most folks would say a film is a story. A work of art. Is crafting a film or play a game, but the end product is a story? Now bring this back to players in an RPG. Aren't they all kind of doing the same thing as the kids playing make believe, or the actors making a film? Sure, there are mechanical expressions or dice rolls and so on that determine the outcomes, but is that the important element? Ultimately, I don't think there really is an answer....other than that an RPG is both a game and a story. But I don't think that the logic you've used to support your choice really holds up. [/QUOTE]

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