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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7213358" data-attributes="member: 71699">As you say later in your discussion, the question itself is misguided. The OP states (or heavily implies) that D&amp;D is a story and a game (lit. &quot;D&amp;D is also a story&quot;). It could be that we both find that problematic. For me, we can say that players and DMs can use the rules and premises of D&amp;D to tell stories. But we can't say that D&amp;D is a story. The OP could have asked &quot;Is D&amp;D more telling a story than playing a game?&quot; That is an entirely different question.You mistake my meaning. People here certainly have the ability to unpack it, but this forum isn't a suitable place to do that because the subject I refer to is extremely complex. Maintaining a progressive and focused analysis is very difficult. The people here are no doubt up to it, but linearly threaded forums are not the best tool for the task. Also, I believe that much of the debate here is not particularly in earnest, and that would likely derail somewhat - adding to the difficulties.This probably reveals that we are talking about different things. I am taking story to entail an account or recital. We can say that a book contains a story. We can say that a story-teller tells a story. I think that we can agree that a book that contains a story, continues to contain that story even when there are no readers to be found. I appreciate that you perhaps dislike this definition. It doesn't fit into what you are trying to say. But that doesn't really entitle you to discredit it (or me). If you like, you can say that you don't want to talk about my definition. That's fine. I don't feel you've been too clear yet what you mean by story, seeing as it seems to reside in so many places.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 7213358, member: 71699"] As you say later in your discussion, the question itself is misguided. The OP states (or heavily implies) that D&D is a story [B]and[/B] a game (lit. "[I]D&D is also a story[/I]"). It could be that we both find that problematic. For me, we can say that players and DMs can use the rules and premises of D&D to [U]tell[/U] stories. But we can't say that D&D [U]is[/U] a story. The OP could have asked "[I]Is D&D more [B]telling[/B] a story than playing a game?[/I]" That is an entirely different question. You mistake my meaning. People here certainly have the ability to unpack it, but this forum isn't a suitable place to do that because the subject I refer to is extremely complex. Maintaining a progressive and focused analysis is very difficult. The people here are no doubt up to it, but linearly threaded forums are not the best tool for the task. Also, I believe that much of the debate here is not particularly in earnest, and that would likely derail somewhat - adding to the difficulties. This probably reveals that we are talking about different things. I am taking story to entail an account or recital. We can say that a book contains a story. We can say that a story-teller tells a story. I think that we can agree that a book that contains a story, continues to contain that story even when there are no readers to be found. I appreciate that you perhaps dislike this definition. It doesn't fit into what you are trying to say. But that doesn't really entitle you to discredit it (or me). If you like, you can say that you don't want to talk about my definition. That's fine. I don't feel you've been too clear yet what you mean by story, seeing as it seems to reside in so many places. [/QUOTE]

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