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<blockquote data-quote="DonTadow" data-source="post: 2722321" data-attributes="member: 22622">I'd say yes.&nbsp; And the author's reasoning for his no is my reasoning for the yes.&nbsp; There is a for dummies book and a basic core set.&nbsp; Neither of these things change hte rules of the game.&nbsp; They only present it in a simpler manor.&nbsp; YOur logic is equivilent to saying &quot;arithmatic&quot; is not for beginners because it has a dummies book and many self-help guides. Some people need things presented in them in simpler manners.&nbsp; That doesnt make the game complicated.&nbsp; But lets go further.&nbsp; The dummy guide and the basic set guide did not come out for 2 years after 3.5 debuted.&nbsp; Not only are they simpler games, but they are also&nbsp; both marketing tools to bring in people people whom would not normally pick up a game unless they had visual confirmation that it was easy to learn, even if it already is easy to learn.&nbsp; Ironically, I find that hte game is more complicated for older players to grasp.&nbsp; Some refuse to give up old concept and others don't like the simplicity.&nbsp; Now that those arguments are said.&nbsp; Half my group learned 3.5 and believe me some are not genuises in the slightest.&nbsp; I have taught 3.5 to players whom would have never played an rpg and had no exposure to rpg related material (my inner-city friends).&nbsp; The 3.5 version is the least complex of the 3 previous sytems requiring fewer dice rolls.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DonTadow, post: 2722321, member: 22622"] I'd say yes. And the author's reasoning for his no is my reasoning for the yes. There is a for dummies book and a basic core set. Neither of these things change hte rules of the game. They only present it in a simpler manor. YOur logic is equivilent to saying "arithmatic" is not for beginners because it has a dummies book and many self-help guides. Some people need things presented in them in simpler manners. That doesnt make the game complicated. But lets go further. The dummy guide and the basic set guide did not come out for 2 years after 3.5 debuted. Not only are they simpler games, but they are also both marketing tools to bring in people people whom would not normally pick up a game unless they had visual confirmation that it was easy to learn, even if it already is easy to learn. Ironically, I find that hte game is more complicated for older players to grasp. Some refuse to give up old concept and others don't like the simplicity. Now that those arguments are said. Half my group learned 3.5 and believe me some are not genuises in the slightest. I have taught 3.5 to players whom would have never played an rpg and had no exposure to rpg related material (my inner-city friends). The 3.5 version is the least complex of the 3 previous sytems requiring fewer dice rolls. [/QUOTE]

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