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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 5643765" data-attributes="member: 8835">The world changed when I read the wiki article and remembered the art style known as Found Object.  this in turn altered my subsequent statements.  Unlike most the stereotypical internet arguers, I actually change my mind when i learn something.  I'm sneaky that way.Basically, that meant that technically, if I find it and decide to use it as an art piece (or as a component of an art piece), it is a valid art style.As a result, I don't need to lie about the piece to call it art.  It is art when I decide it has artistic value and present it as a work of art.this in turn changes (and more closely matches what i suspect is reality), the need to lie about art's orgin.   because my dog painting (or the panda painting) can count as art, there's no need to lie.Thus, lying is only needed to misrepresent in order to generate a false value.  namely forgeries or taking credit for someone else's work.Anyway, the experts who define art already accept that animal generated art is art because I as an artist "presented" it as such.  So it has nothing to do with you accepting it.  it's a done deal by the fact that it is Found Object, or as google shows, people like this stuff: <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=art+made+by+animals&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?q=art+made+by+animals&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1</a>Thats what solidified my stance on animal or non-man made art.To put this in faux legal terms.  if I can show in the World Court of Art that it was already counted as art somewhere, it gets to be counted as art.it appears some dude basically presented a urinal as a Found Object piece of art.  I mean like went somewhere and got one and put it in the art show.  the bar is pretty low.</blockquote>

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