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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 5644514" data-attributes="member: 8835">Actually, I don't think we can agree that D&D is a game.  That's probably worthy of its own thread forking. And it too has probably been done before.Before I begin, make note, I'm presenting a view point as though "it's just a game" people are wrong.  In reality, it doesn't really matter how they view the activity of an RPG.  My line of discussion is simply a logical exercise.if I narrowly define a Game as a competitive activity in which one side wins and one side loses or in which a player has 2 possible outcomes Win or Lose, then Monopoly and just about every board, card, sports game is covered.D&D is not a game as evidenced by the introduction in every edition (and parroted by just about every RPG). A "game of Tag" is also not a game, as played by children.  It goes on until recess is over, and score is not kept, and nobody really wins or loses.If I don't expand my definition of game, these 2 activities are simply misclassified as Games, and are allowed to continue to misuse the term.Folks who think D&D is a game and can be art, aren't interesting to this discussion.  They already think it is more than a game, as it can be art.Actually, anbody who thinks it can be art, already has an expanded view of what an RPG is.Folks who think it can't be art and it is just a game, are the interesting population segment.if you accept my definition of a game is absolute and correct.  Then refusing that D&D CAN be art because it is just a game is a logic fault.If they just agreed its not a game, then the "its just a game" defense can't be used.If nothing else, consider this, you can still call D&D a game, but that doesn't make it a Game.  A session of D&D can be art, but that doesn't make it Art.</blockquote>

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