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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5644562" data-attributes="member: 19675">The act of taking a found object and presenting it as art involves the conscious act of taking that thing and asking us to consider it in a way beyond its basic function.&nbsp; The framed gun on a wall, Duchamp's Fountain, etc., are all asking to be considered for more than just a gun, more than just a urinal.&nbsp; Until that point, though, the gun is just a gun, the urinal is just a urinal.The basic function of D&amp;D is to be played as a game of formalized pretend, and as such, many players see it simply as such.&nbsp; If, however, someone plays the game in such a way as to intentionally take it beyond that, to ask us to consider it in a way beyond its function as a game, they may indeed create art.And like I've said before, I've never seen that.Re: games &amp; outcomesThere are multitudinous games in which the only outcome is the player loses to the game (pinball, many arcade shooters).&nbsp; The only question is how many points you score as compared to other players.The games of catch or tag have no win/loss outcomes, just participation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5644562, member: 19675"] The act of taking a found object and presenting it as art involves the conscious act of taking that thing and asking us to consider it in a way beyond its basic function. The framed gun on a wall, Duchamp's [I]Fountain[/I], etc., are all asking to be considered for more than just a gun, more than just a urinal. Until that point, though, the gun is just a gun, the urinal is just a urinal. The basic function of D&D is to be played as a game of formalized pretend, and as such, many players see it simply as such. If, however, someone plays the game in such a way as to intentionally take it beyond that, to ask us to consider it in a way beyond its function as a game, they may indeed create art. And like I've said before, I've never seen that. Re: games & outcomes There are multitudinous games in which the only outcome is the player loses to the game (pinball, many arcade shooters). The only question is how many points you score as compared to other players. The games of catch or tag have no win/loss outcomes, just participation. [/QUOTE]

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