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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5646721" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>1) by that last sentence quoted from the article, while he is thinking that the 2 things MAY be art, Wolheim is most clearly <em>not</em> pre-deciding that what he evaluating IS art. Since he is distinguishing whether a painting is art or craft and contemplating whether a utilitarian object should be elevated TO art, he is judging <em>whether or not</em> these things are art.</p><p></p><p>2) a criteria is a standard, rule, or test on which a judgment or decision can be based.</p><p></p><p>Which is exactly what I've been doing.</p><p></p><p>*****</p><p></p><p>Hopefully, for the last time, I tell you that intent is part of the wiki definition.</p><p></p><p>The very first line is:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There it is in parsed English: the first part of the article's initial definition includes "intention" <em>twice</em>.</p><p></p><p>*****</p><p></p><p>Lastly, as to my supplying a circular definition.</p><p></p><p>As I've said, I'm not supplying one beyond the ones already out there, and my usage of "intent" is not imprecise, nor any more or less vague than it is used normally.</p><p></p><p>Consider: intent is part of the crime <strong>murder</strong>. You can commit a homicide without it being murder. What is the level of intent? The intent to do grievous harm or kill a human. So, the crime of murder is...the killing of a human with the intent to grievously harm or kill a human.</p><p></p><p>That's it. Sure, there are gradations and exceptions, but that is what it boils down to. Intent is what distinguishes shooting a gun and killing someone into things like accidental death, negligent homicide and actual murder.</p><p></p><p>It's the same way with art: to create art, one must intentionally set out to create art. (At least, that is what my teachers felt, and I agreed.)</p><p></p><p>Now, you may feel that "intent" is not a requisite element of art- there are many who do not- and I'm cool with that. But don't tell me that I'm using the definitions I've supplied that DO include it improperly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5646721, member: 19675"] 1) by that last sentence quoted from the article, while he is thinking that the 2 things MAY be art, Wolheim is most clearly [I]not[/I] pre-deciding that what he evaluating IS art. Since he is distinguishing whether a painting is art or craft and contemplating whether a utilitarian object should be elevated TO art, he is judging [I]whether or not[/I] these things are art. 2) a criteria is a standard, rule, or test on which a judgment or decision can be based. Which is exactly what I've been doing. ***** Hopefully, for the last time, I tell you that intent is part of the wiki definition. The very first line is: There it is in parsed English: the first part of the article's initial definition includes "intention" [I]twice[/I]. ***** Lastly, as to my supplying a circular definition. As I've said, I'm not supplying one beyond the ones already out there, and my usage of "intent" is not imprecise, nor any more or less vague than it is used normally. Consider: intent is part of the crime [b]murder[/b]. You can commit a homicide without it being murder. What is the level of intent? The intent to do grievous harm or kill a human. So, the crime of murder is...the killing of a human with the intent to grievously harm or kill a human. That's it. Sure, there are gradations and exceptions, but that is what it boils down to. Intent is what distinguishes shooting a gun and killing someone into things like accidental death, negligent homicide and actual murder. It's the same way with art: to create art, one must intentionally set out to create art. (At least, that is what my teachers felt, and I agreed.) Now, you may feel that "intent" is not a requisite element of art- there are many who do not- and I'm cool with that. But don't tell me that I'm using the definitions I've supplied that DO include it improperly. [/QUOTE]
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