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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 3762349" data-attributes="member: 51325">Thank you.It seems weird that when people talk about wanting D&amp;D to resemble more gritty fantasy, they tend to ignore the fat that half of the classes enable the PCs to &quot;USE MAGIC&quot;. Really, in the type of &quot;gritty stories&quot; people seem to think D&amp;D should be more closer to, the fact is M-U only appear as two types. The &quot;GREAT EVIL&quot; or the &quot;The PATRON&quot;.D&amp;D should've never allowed for magic users to be a playable class.re: 1E fighter and others.As weird as it sounds, I think 1E PCs were actually *STRONGER* than their equivalent level 3.x counterparts based on how they matched up with the actual obstacles a.k.a., the monsters. After you hit a certain level, fighters couldn't die in melee and pretty much were immune to save or die spells. A balor for example is a serious fight for a 4 person party in 3.x whereas that selfsame balor could be solo by a 13th level fighter in 1E.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 3762349, member: 51325"] Thank you. It seems weird that when people talk about wanting D&D to resemble more gritty fantasy, they tend to ignore the fat that half of the classes enable the PCs to "USE MAGIC". Really, in the type of "gritty stories" people seem to think D&D should be more closer to, the fact is M-U only appear as two types. The "GREAT EVIL" or the "The PATRON". D&D should've never allowed for magic users to be a playable class. [B]re: 1E fighter and others.[/B] As weird as it sounds, I think 1E PCs were actually *STRONGER* than their equivalent level 3.x counterparts based on how they matched up with the actual obstacles a.k.a., the monsters. After you hit a certain level, fighters couldn't die in melee and pretty much were immune to save or die spells. A balor for example is a serious fight for a 4 person party in 3.x whereas that selfsame balor could be solo by a 13th level fighter in 1E. [/QUOTE]

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