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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 349497" data-attributes="member: 172">Doth I sense dirty laundry in the wind? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Yes, I read that thread, but held my tongue for the most part. I was in the wolf's den after all. Plus a lot of people there disagreed with KK, so didn't really feel the need to create a new target when KK was already making enough of one of himself.But to comment on a few of your outtakes:This, of course, is crap. How much fantasy is "sufficient" is entirely a matter of personal preference. I imagine my game world much like the world depicted in movies like Princess Mononoke, where spirits and magical beings exist in mysterious woods. Tolkein is nice, but LOTR isn't a measuring stick of what all fantasy should be, and it certainly isn't a measuring stick of maturity.However, willingness to denigrate anyone who doesn't enjoy the same things you do is certainly a measuring stick of immaturity.Elsewhere he said that RPGnet is nice compared to ENWorld. To which I can only say that Patrick needs a perspective check. I hope I don't have to explain myself to anyone who has been both here and at RPGnet.Patrick seems like a nice enough guy... he's leaps and bounds more diplomatic that KK (who, in turn, is leaps and bounds more diplomatic than Mobius), but the only times he has had occasion to visit here is during KK-inspired <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />-storms.KK can feel any way he wants. Happily, I don't game by his leave.There is a lot of crap out there for d20. I wont deny it. If there weren't, I'd be out of a job.That said, there is a lot of quality stuff out there too. Further, there is a lot of selection. As I have pained to point out, product lines like Scarred Lands and Kalamar have fans that are just as enthused about their products of choice as the Harn fans are about theirs. Harn doesn't even have the market cornered on quality.There are some d20 products that fire my imagination more than any Harn product ever has (and yes, I own some.) If you are different, fine, more power to you. What you like in an RPG is not a mark of maturity.Recognizing that one size does not fit all and having respect for other people's tastes and choices despite the fact that they are different than yours is, however, a mark of maturity.</blockquote>

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