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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ace" data-source="post: 351244" data-attributes="member: 944">I don't mind taking an unpopular position here and coming right on and saying that Yes D&D is childish, or more accurately adolecent, on the whole. Most of the D&D games I have played in are about kill the monster+get the treasure+level up---  Power fantasy furfillment plain and simple. Oh yes there is a often a gloss of plot and story but at its core D&D is about  Kicking Butt and Taking Names.All of the mechanics in the core books and I would almost bet, most of the OGL books are about giving you more things to do. Cool powers, Bad Monsters, new treasure that what its about after all. Are games of Harn more sophisticated?Yes on the whole they are. Most of the games of Harn and similar systems I have played are about Character and Story first. THe cool bits are there sure but they aren't as importantThis is by some measurements "more sophisticated" than D&D--The thing is neither one, in moderation, is better than the other.Both games really are about fun after all. We as gamers (especially players of more "sophisticated" games) sometimes assume everyone in our little world must share our tastes  or they are just  wrong wrong wrong That is the highest form on conceit I can imagine. To assume you have all the answers in taste. Get realAfter all nice cerebral game of chess is not  better than a staying home and watching football- except on the individual level Do what you likeNow it is getting very late and I am very tired so I will wrap up this ramble with a quote   "When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." --C.S. Lewis</blockquote>

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