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<blockquote data-quote="Tsyr" data-source="post: 351589" data-attributes="member: 354">Is DnD by default immature? Heck no.Is Harn by default mature? Heck no.Now, I do think that, at it's core, DnD has more POTENTIAL to produce immature gaming than Harn does, and likewise I think Harn has more potential to produce Mature gaming than DnD does. But not because of the games themselves.DnD is an &quot;entry game&quot;... there aren't many of these. DnD, Vampire, maybe a couple others are the only games I would consider &quot;entry&quot; games, and of them all, DnD is the king. By that I mean, It's likely that your first game played is DnD (Mine wasn't; mine was Rifts, but that's beside the point). And I think most of us will agree that a lot of new gamers have a tendancy to do things we consider &quot;immature&quot;... IE, powergaming, monte-haulism, etc. Not that this is bad, just a different way of playing. But it _IS_ often considered &quot;immature&quot;. And a lot of people (I'd dare to say most) do grow out of this phase.Harn, in contrast, is NOT an entry game. About as far from it as you can get, as a matter of fact. I'm sure a few people have gotten their start on it, but I'd bet not even a tiny fraction the size of those who have gotten started on Vampire even. So the people who have played Harn are, almost by definition, people who have &quot;matured&quot; beyond the &quot;immature&quot; types of gaming.Hence, on the whole, Harn is more likely to have a higher percentage of &quot;mature&quot; games and gamers. This is what I mean by &quot;potential&quot;. But it has nothing to do with the games themselves.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tsyr, post: 351589, member: 354"] Is DnD by default immature? Heck no. Is Harn by default mature? Heck no. Now, I do think that, at it's core, DnD has more POTENTIAL to produce immature gaming than Harn does, and likewise I think Harn has more potential to produce Mature gaming than DnD does. But not because of the games themselves. DnD is an "entry game"... there aren't many of these. DnD, Vampire, maybe a couple others are the only games I would consider "entry" games, and of them all, DnD is the king. By that I mean, It's likely that your first game played is DnD (Mine wasn't; mine was Rifts, but that's beside the point). And I think most of us will agree that a lot of new gamers have a tendancy to do things we consider "immature"... IE, powergaming, monte-haulism, etc. Not that this is bad, just a different way of playing. But it _IS_ often considered "immature". And a lot of people (I'd dare to say most) do grow out of this phase. Harn, in contrast, is NOT an entry game. About as far from it as you can get, as a matter of fact. I'm sure a few people have gotten their start on it, but I'd bet not even a tiny fraction the size of those who have gotten started on Vampire even. So the people who have played Harn are, almost by definition, people who have "matured" beyond the "immature" types of gaming. Hence, on the whole, Harn is more likely to have a higher percentage of "mature" games and gamers. This is what I mean by "potential". But it has nothing to do with the games themselves. [/QUOTE]

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