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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 357728" data-attributes="member: 2205">Heh, I wonder.  As usual, you don't understand what he's saying, I think, having read a number of your virtual debates over the last few monthes.They are not problems with D&D, as Psion has explained very patiently time and time again.  You delight in coming here and insulting D&D and D&D players, and then back-pedalling like mad to try and say that no, you're not doing anything of the type, you're just trying to engage in mature debate.  However, since you're opinion of mature debate is the post that follows, rather unsuprisingly it doesn't work out.Better?  Is that so?  I wonder how familiar you are with the setting.  Misunderstanding the idea of utilizing the elements you have with creating a 'monster mash' is quite a failing.It did not hold the slightest appeal to you.  Therefore, it's childish?  <img src="http://jdyal.freezope.org/confused.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />  See, it's this kind of childish attempts to brush everyone else's tastes as inferior to your own that make your "arguments" so ill-concieved.Again, a simple opinion.  I don't like Spelljammer either, but my current DM was a huge fan and ran one of the first "big time" 3e conversions of the setting.  I guarantee he's not a "childish" gamer.  Once again, you have done nothing except label ideas counter to your own taste as childish and inferior.As are the 3e versions.No, lame-brain hormone-charged, can't-get-any teenagers want naked women.  Adults are not sissies because they are mature enough to not be gratuitous about sex or violence.  This point right here makes the rest of your argument laughable, as you have the temerity make incredibly immature claims in your attempt to "prove" how D&D is immature.And Harnmaster doesn't suffer from the vile influence of 1e?  Sounds very much like the same type of game, in many ways.Honestly, I can't imagine what you come here for.  If I had your opinions relative to D&D, I sure as heck wouldn't be hanging around D&D message boards.Of course he does.  Because he rebutts all your "arguments" with common sense and logic, which you don't want to hear.</blockquote>

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