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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Simulacrum" data-source="post: 857917" data-attributes="member: 7749">You obviously see it from another angle, but you are wrong.+11 AC is just the armor...lets see +1 the magic ring +1DEx now we got AC 23. (by 5th level)Now all my fighters take expertise (+5AC always on except where the enemy is SUPAWEAK), and dodge for the must have spring attack...+1 (+2 in 3.5)Now I'm like AC 30 and I always take close quarter fighting against those nasty grapplers.Now who the hell is going to hit AC 30 by 5th level except the super specialized Attack bonus fighter/barbarian?How far can you push the attack bonus til then? +13?(and not all fighter types are halforc barbs, who cant wear effective armor, thus having a big penalty here)And even then the chances for hitting are extremely low.Most monsters with an CR equal to the party level cant hit exept on a 20. thats a fact.I fought a solar one day (with the improved expertise feat) and guess what...he didnt hit me for shiit.And NO NO NO  D&D is about the AC,CON and saves baby.On top of that, what can anything except an high-end-basher do  to touch such a tank (and boy this is quite a common tank) rouges? bards? monks???And just think how much pressure it takes upon the DM to throw something at this tank to challenge him? Without being ridiculously cheesy all the time.The same goes for most monsters on the higher end, who the hell except the OPTIMIZED FOR COMBAT chracters can ever hope to just even touch them? (here is the point where your rant about exessive BAB progression starts to jump in)But you have to admit that all the BAB escalation and magic weapon grabbing is coming from the too high AC level that starts to kick in about the 5th level or CR equivalent....think of it! A normal bunch of 1st level cityguard fighters can try to hit the tank all day long and not score a single hit while you laugh at them and cut them down to size.And I'm talking about a very much possible 5th level fighter made with the 25 - 32 (standard) pointbuy system.edited for clarification</blockquote>

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