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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Harry" data-source="post: 1534241" data-attributes="member: 5468">I recognize that some religions (and denominations of other religions) believe that magic is real.&nbsp; By &quot;magic&quot;, I suppose that I mean a method of personal intervention in the universe that results in an outcome that does not have a cause within the natural world.&nbsp; That is why I said it the way I did, trying to express this in a manner that advocated no side.&nbsp; This means that it is possible to have religious ritual without considering it to be part of &quot;magic&quot;, as understood in this way.&nbsp; This addresses:Lastly, &nbsp;&nbsp; In one interpretation - said without faulting your chosen interpretation.&nbsp; (And you are welcome to contact me directly to discuss at more length.)Actually, I think that the best argument for &quot;Is D&amp;D good?&quot; is *this* thread.&nbsp; And the threads where we pull together to help either ENWorld itself or one of the community members who are having a bad time of it.&nbsp; ENWorld itself is a real community, not (like a number of other boards) just someplace to go to get into a flame war.&nbsp; After all, if you want to answer is &quot;thing x&quot; good or not, the best way to answer that is to look at the results;&nbsp; it might not save the world, but there is a *lot* to be said for something if it makes the world even a little bit better.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; There's always the flip side, the Simpsons comic-book-guy sterotype, but done well, D&amp;D does 'good'.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dr. Harry, post: 1534241, member: 5468"] I recognize that some religions (and denominations of other religions) believe that magic is real. By "magic", I suppose that I mean a method of personal intervention in the universe that results in an outcome that does not have a cause within the natural world. That is why I said it the way I did, trying to express this in a manner that advocated no side. This means that it is possible to have religious ritual without considering it to be part of "magic", as understood in this way. This addresses: Lastly, In one interpretation - said without faulting your chosen interpretation. (And you are welcome to contact me directly to discuss at more length.) Actually, I think that the best argument for "Is D&D good?" is *this* thread. And the threads where we pull together to help either ENWorld itself or one of the community members who are having a bad time of it. ENWorld itself is a real community, not (like a number of other boards) just someplace to go to get into a flame war. After all, if you want to answer is "thing x" good or not, the best way to answer that is to look at the results; it might not save the world, but there is a *lot* to be said for something if it makes the world even a little bit better. There's always the flip side, the Simpsons comic-book-guy sterotype, but done well, D&D does 'good'. [/QUOTE]

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