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<blockquote data-quote="MGibster" data-source="post: 700424" data-attributes="member: 4534">It is dated in one way...You spend 90 bucks for the three core rulebooks and you still don't walk away with a setting.&nbsp; D&amp;D is one of the few games that can get away with something like that without being completely panned by everyone.&nbsp; (Yeah, I know GURPS doesn't come with a setting either but then I don't think D&amp;D is a generic RPG.)&nbsp; Just about every successful game I can think of from the past 10-15 years have had some sort of setting included with the game.&nbsp; Legend of the Five Rings, Deadlands, Rifts, every White Wolf Game, and Cyberpunk, and Shadowrun came with some sort of setting.&nbsp; Even the smaller or unsuccessful games like Kult, Dark Conspiracy, Chill, Conspiracy X,&nbsp; All Flesh Must be Eaten (10 settings), or the Ghostbusters RPG had a setting.&nbsp; Also there's the class system.&nbsp; Most of the new games made in the past five years have moved away from a strict class system.&nbsp; D&amp;D ignored that trend and brought back strict classes in a big way.&nbsp; Well, since AD&amp;D was always the most popular RPG AFAIK maybe it didn't really bring it back.&nbsp; So yeah, I think that in some ways D&amp;D is a throwback to older RPGs and in some ways that makes it dated.&nbsp; Of course if you have a good time playing that game what does it matter?Marc</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MGibster, post: 700424, member: 4534"] [b]It is dated in one way...[/b] You spend 90 bucks for the three core rulebooks and you still don't walk away with a setting. D&D is one of the few games that can get away with something like that without being completely panned by everyone. (Yeah, I know GURPS doesn't come with a setting either but then I don't think D&D is a generic RPG.) Just about every successful game I can think of from the past 10-15 years have had some sort of setting included with the game. Legend of the Five Rings, Deadlands, Rifts, every White Wolf Game, and Cyberpunk, and Shadowrun came with some sort of setting. Even the smaller or unsuccessful games like Kult, Dark Conspiracy, Chill, Conspiracy X, All Flesh Must be Eaten (10 settings), or the Ghostbusters RPG had a setting. Also there's the class system. Most of the new games made in the past five years have moved away from a strict class system. D&D ignored that trend and brought back strict classes in a big way. Well, since AD&D was always the most popular RPG AFAIK maybe it didn't really bring it back. So yeah, I think that in some ways D&D is a throwback to older RPGs and in some ways that makes it dated. Of course if you have a good time playing that game what does it matter? Marc [/QUOTE]

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