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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 1579625" data-attributes="member: 177">Yes, but that's a problem with the players, not the rules.&nbsp; At the gaming table, all folks must be willing to flex a bit to help others (including the DM)have fun.&nbsp; If some people refuse to do that, this is not a fault in the rules, it is a fault in their teamwork.I know such people exist.&nbsp; However, I agree with Joshua Dyal that their influence and frequency are being largely overstated.&nbsp; The majority of folks, when presented with a fellow gamer who politely and simply asks, &quot;Could you please stop doing that?&nbsp; It is making the game much less fun for me,&quot; will accede to your request.But, in the end, if you feel the game's wonder really has been stomped into the mud, there's the simple expedient of playiing a different game, including previous editions of D&amp;D.&nbsp; If it's so all fired horrible for you, doing something else is an option.&nbsp; And that's not a &quot;stop playing in my pond&quot; statement.&nbsp; It's a recognition that you gotta do what you find fun.&nbsp; If you don't find 3e D&amp;D fun, do something else!&nbsp; Life is too short to spend on leisure pursuits that hold no wonder for you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 1579625, member: 177"] Yes, but that's a problem with the players, not the rules. At the gaming table, all folks must be willing to flex a bit to help others (including the DM)have fun. If some people refuse to do that, this is not a fault in the rules, it is a fault in their teamwork. I know such people exist. However, I agree with Joshua Dyal that their influence and frequency are being largely overstated. The majority of folks, when presented with a fellow gamer who politely and simply asks, "Could you please stop doing that? It is making the game much less fun for me," will accede to your request. But, in the end, if you feel the game's wonder really has been stomped into the mud, there's the simple expedient of playiing a different game, including previous editions of D&D. If it's so all fired horrible for you, doing something else is an option. And that's not a "stop playing in my pond" statement. It's a recognition that you gotta do what you find fun. If you don't find 3e D&D fun, do something else! Life is too short to spend on leisure pursuits that hold no wonder for you. [/QUOTE]

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