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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7733855" data-attributes="member: 29398">Which backs up my point.You-as-Ovinomancer, the player at the table, aren't (I hope!) whaling away with a sword - but Bob the Fighter is; and this player-character disconnect is taken care of by dice.  All is good.But you-as-Ovinomancer, the player at the table, can (I hope!) talk and think - which means you can more or less speak as Bob would and think as Bob would.  There's much less* player-character disconnect and thus much less* requirement for dice to bridge it.* - the ideal state here is zero.For the hiding and sword-swinging examples you're quite right: these are both things the characters can (try to) do but the real players at the table probably won't, and dice are the bridge.As for the Monk ability - were I a DM faced with that I'd try to adjust my speaking as the target NPC to match what the Monk would actually hear/comprehend and let the Monk's player roleplay from there.  Failing that, all the rolling for the variables you note would only be done once - the very first time the ability came into play - after which the capabilities of Tongue of Sun and Moon would be pretty much locked in, to be noted for future reference in whatever rulings or houserules setup we're using.Lanefan</blockquote>