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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rounser" data-source="post: 5417416" data-attributes="member: 1106"><p>The spellcaster debates hinge on whether you saw wizards as "a problem that needed fixing." A lot of the changes 4E wrought were answers to problems that not everyone saw as such, or just generated bigger problems in place of the old.  The fact that you think defenders of vancian magic are less knowledgable than the attackers is probably just a reflection of you agreeing with their arguments, as I can point you to one recently where my opponent couldn't even quote well known loopholes in the spell system and was talking in handwaves and general impressions rather than specifics.  So no, I think you're indulging in wishful thinking here.  Rejectors of 4E cannot be stereotyped as uninformed rejectors - they know what they like in their game.  Unthinking acceptance of whatever rules might lead to just going with whatever the newest edition serves up, because it's new and shiny.</p></blockquote><p></p>