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<blockquote data-quote="Deset Gled" data-source="post: 9202886" data-attributes="member: 7808"><p>Piggybacking off my posts in the other thread where this came up...</p><p></p><p>There is no "technical" or meaningful definition of a what makes something related to a holiday. The idea of a "Xmas movie" is simply a social construct. Any movie that people, as a group, associate with Xmas can be considered a Xmas movie.</p><p></p><p>Therefore, the facts that:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">People have opinions about whether or not Die Hard is a Xmas movie</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">People association Die Hard with the discussion of "what makes a movie a Xmas movie"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We are having this discussion around Xmas</li> </ul><p>Mean that Die Hard is a de facto Xmas movie, regardless of it's content. The discussion/dissension around whether it counts only makes it <em>more </em>of an Xmas movie, by strengthening the social relationship.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Also, I'm going to be really lazy and just going to copy and paste my examples from the other thread:</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>It's A Wonderful Life only mentions [Xmas] in passing; it's not part of the plot other than setting the background.</p><p></p><p>Frosty The Snowman likewise has only tertiary references the Xmas, and the plot could happen any time in winter completely unchanged.</p><p></p><p>The classic silent The Snowman has no explicit references to the holiday.</p><p></p><p>The entire plot of Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer involving his running away, making friends with Cornelius and Herbie, escaping the Bumble, and finding the island of misfit toys takes place an indeterminate number of months before Xmas. The part where he leads Santa's sleigh at the end is a coda unrelated to the central narrative.</p><p></p><p>If any of those count as "Xmas movies", then Die Hard meets the same minimum prerequisites.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>Consider "Three Little Nuts for Cinderella", a classic German Christmas movie that has nothing to do with Christmas at all. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%99i_o%C5%99%C3%AD%C5%A1ky_pro_Popelku" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tři_oříšky_pro_Popelku</a></p><p></p><p>Consider "Dinner for One", the most watched New Year's Eve movie in the world, that has nothing to do with New Years. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_One" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_One</a></p><p></p><p>Consider Taco's "Puttin' on the Ritz", which is in so many "Halloween music" compilations I can't even start to count them. It has nothing to do with Halloween. The only association is that the song was used in "Young Frankenstein". But Taco's version isn't in the movie. And the movie isn't about Halloween.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Deset Gled, post: 9202886, member: 7808"] Piggybacking off my posts in the other thread where this came up... There is no "technical" or meaningful definition of a what makes something related to a holiday. The idea of a "Xmas movie" is simply a social construct. Any movie that people, as a group, associate with Xmas can be considered a Xmas movie. Therefore, the facts that: [LIST] [*]People have opinions about whether or not Die Hard is a Xmas movie [*]People association Die Hard with the discussion of "what makes a movie a Xmas movie" [*]We are having this discussion around Xmas [/LIST] Mean that Die Hard is a de facto Xmas movie, regardless of it's content. The discussion/dissension around whether it counts only makes it [I]more [/I]of an Xmas movie, by strengthening the social relationship. Also, I'm going to be really lazy and just going to copy and paste my examples from the other thread: --- It's A Wonderful Life only mentions [Xmas] in passing; it's not part of the plot other than setting the background. Frosty The Snowman likewise has only tertiary references the Xmas, and the plot could happen any time in winter completely unchanged. The classic silent The Snowman has no explicit references to the holiday. The entire plot of Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer involving his running away, making friends with Cornelius and Herbie, escaping the Bumble, and finding the island of misfit toys takes place an indeterminate number of months before Xmas. The part where he leads Santa's sleigh at the end is a coda unrelated to the central narrative. If any of those count as "Xmas movies", then Die Hard meets the same minimum prerequisites. --- Consider "Three Little Nuts for Cinderella", a classic German Christmas movie that has nothing to do with Christmas at all. [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%99i_o%C5%99%C3%AD%C5%A1ky_pro_Popelku']https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tři_oříšky_pro_Popelku[/URL] Consider "Dinner for One", the most watched New Year's Eve movie in the world, that has nothing to do with New Years. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_One[/URL] Consider Taco's "Puttin' on the Ritz", which is in so many "Halloween music" compilations I can't even start to count them. It has nothing to do with Halloween. The only association is that the song was used in "Young Frankenstein". But Taco's version isn't in the movie. And the movie isn't about Halloween. [/QUOTE]
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