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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9158162" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>That's an inaccurate and hasty assumption rather than reasonable assumption.</p><p></p><p>Disagreement or otherwise isn't the issue here, and it's rather facile to assume it is, but that's apparently your <em>entire</em> position here - you're just <em>assuming</em> that personal disagreement is <em>everything</em>.</p><p></p><p>It's <strong>not</strong> - even when I agree entirely with what WotC are doing (which I have done on numerous occasions!), there's zero evidence that they're taking a data-driven approach generally, and you haven't even noted any ways that they are re: overall strategy, despite asserting they are.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The issue I'm pointing out, which seems to have passed you by, presumably because your initial assumption was an inaccurate one, is that WotC doesn't show any clear evidence, in their decisions, of making data-driven decisions about D&D's <strong>overall strategy</strong>.</p><p></p><p>The surveys they've done, for example, support my contention that they're not using data to drive overall strategy, because the surveys are very narrow in scope, and focus almost entirely on "Do you like X", where X is a specific feature or race or subclass, a narrow little thing in the grand scheme of D&D (and don't even make provisions for things like "good idea, bad execution"). They absolutely could ask big questions about D&D, but I think they've done so what, twice ever?</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not my position that we do - so it's also a strawman as a bonus to being basically an ad hominem! Not terribly helpful, convincing or useful to the discussion, I'd suggest. Has someone else taken that position? If so, who?</p><p></p><p>What I'm saying is not "GAMERZ KNO BETTAH!" or some ridiculous nonsense. You can keep pretending I am, but no-one is helped or informed by that.</p><p></p><p>My position simply "I don't see any concrete or convincing information that WotC's overall strategy for D&D is significantly 'data-driven' in any meaningful sense".</p><p></p><p>Their strategy re: class/race design is clearly data-influenced, but by an incredibly small data set. One issue today is that "data-driven" is often an synonymous with "I made it up", in both business and politics. I think in business it's less often intentionally that, but very often mistakenly that. I've seen very reasonable people essentially take themselves in and claim they were making "data-driven" decisions when in fact they were just making decisions whilst a PowerPoint was open in front of them, and the data was either so incomplete as to be largely meaningless, or they were clearly interpreting it favourably to an existing opinion - something a lot of people do, of course.</p><p></p><p>Also, just to backtrack a little, have WotC even claimed that they're operating in a primarily data-driven way re: D&D's strategy? Or is this something a gamer made up?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9158162, member: 18"] That's an inaccurate and hasty assumption rather than reasonable assumption. Disagreement or otherwise isn't the issue here, and it's rather facile to assume it is, but that's apparently your [I]entire[/I] position here - you're just [I]assuming[/I] that personal disagreement is [I]everything[/I]. It's [B]not[/B] - even when I agree entirely with what WotC are doing (which I have done on numerous occasions!), there's zero evidence that they're taking a data-driven approach generally, and you haven't even noted any ways that they are re: overall strategy, despite asserting they are. The issue I'm pointing out, which seems to have passed you by, presumably because your initial assumption was an inaccurate one, is that WotC doesn't show any clear evidence, in their decisions, of making data-driven decisions about D&D's [B]overall strategy[/B]. The surveys they've done, for example, support my contention that they're not using data to drive overall strategy, because the surveys are very narrow in scope, and focus almost entirely on "Do you like X", where X is a specific feature or race or subclass, a narrow little thing in the grand scheme of D&D (and don't even make provisions for things like "good idea, bad execution"). They absolutely could ask big questions about D&D, but I think they've done so what, twice ever? It's not my position that we do - so it's also a strawman as a bonus to being basically an ad hominem! Not terribly helpful, convincing or useful to the discussion, I'd suggest. Has someone else taken that position? If so, who? What I'm saying is not "GAMERZ KNO BETTAH!" or some ridiculous nonsense. You can keep pretending I am, but no-one is helped or informed by that. My position simply "I don't see any concrete or convincing information that WotC's overall strategy for D&D is significantly 'data-driven' in any meaningful sense". Their strategy re: class/race design is clearly data-influenced, but by an incredibly small data set. One issue today is that "data-driven" is often an synonymous with "I made it up", in both business and politics. I think in business it's less often intentionally that, but very often mistakenly that. I've seen very reasonable people essentially take themselves in and claim they were making "data-driven" decisions when in fact they were just making decisions whilst a PowerPoint was open in front of them, and the data was either so incomplete as to be largely meaningless, or they were clearly interpreting it favourably to an existing opinion - something a lot of people do, of course. Also, just to backtrack a little, have WotC even claimed that they're operating in a primarily data-driven way re: D&D's strategy? Or is this something a gamer made up? [/QUOTE]
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