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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 5705414" data-attributes="member: 53980">I disagree.  (To clarify, I don't agree with your premise that dominate is equivalent to rape.)  There are definitely shades of grey that need to be considered.Since dominate doesn't give one special knowledge of one's inner sanctum (it doesn't allow you to read someone's mind) it isn't all that different from forcing someone to do something physically.  If someone grabs another person's arm and starts playfully slapping them with it while chanting, "Stop hitting yourself!" is he not merely being a jerk?  If someone holds another person at gunpoint and forces them to do something, that's unquestionably a violation of the person's free will and rights.  However, if someone else holds a knife-wielding maniac at gunpoint and forces that person to stand down, I hope you'd agree that that's just a law-enforcement official making a reasonable arrest.If you use dominate to violate someone's rights, THAT is wrong.  If you use dominate to force an ogre to stop attacking a town, you're enforcing the peace and protecting the innocent.  They are by no means equivalent.  It's all a matter of context.  EDIT: In fact, if you find a way to use dominate in such a way that the ogre is able to survive as well, I'd say you've arguably done more good than if you stopped the ogre through violent means.  That ogre is still alive and potentially able to change it's ways.  Redemption is very much a good thing.I don't think that dominate is any more evil than killing someone.  If you kill someone without good cause (for selfish reasons), that's evil.  If you do it because you were defending the innocent, I think that that's a necessary evil (which, despite the name, I would typify as a neutral act in D&D terms).  Otherwise, virtually all D&D heroes (as well as heroes of story and legend, such as Gandalf and King Arthur) are vile scumbags.  YMMV, but that logic doesn't strike me as very sound.</blockquote>

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