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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 1270057" data-attributes="member: 8439">This example unfortunately doesn't help very much... not to be difficult, but you can find an odd example of just about any evil act being used in a consensual situation. Torture, rape, slavery, you name it, someone accepts it for fun, profit and a freaky webcam... The fact that its used as an initiation pretty much says it all.  I consider Domination to be roughly equivelent to both slavery and rape, in the vast majority of cases. My current localtion in "paddleboro"  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />  notwithstanding, these are imho evil. Playing at them, faking them, talking about them may not be evil. Changing the fundemental definitions of them by giving consent while still holding the trappings may not be evil. Using them in an initiation that the participant can back out of is probably not evil. But all those cases really aren't talking about the real issue, anymore than its terribly helpful to bring up S&M clubs in a discussion on whether rape is a war crime.Kahuna Burger</blockquote>