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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CCamfield" data-source="post: 1336472" data-attributes="member: 8123">I think I would agree with you about those particular movies, but I think this argument is a little too simple.  It suggests that any work (book, film) in a genre is either classic or cliché, but I don't think that's the case.  A work can fall between the two, using the genre elements or changing them without radically redefining them.  Whether it's then considered a good work or not is then probably a matter of the abilities of its creator(s).Being cliche, in my opinion, means only or primarily using already overused genre elements.  Is the movie Aliens cliché?  Why or why not?How about the book The Deed of Paksennarion?</blockquote>