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<blockquote data-quote="Esker" data-source="post: 7902903" data-attributes="member: 6966824"><p>Against 15 AC, to completely negate the -5 you would need to achieve a +18 to hit (because 1 misses regardless, so if after -5 you still hit on a 2, it didn't do anything). Archery gives you +2, Bless gives you another +2.5. You would need a +13 or so before archery style to <em>completely</em> negate it, which is possible at high levels with a magic weapon.</p><p></p><p>But yeah, since the tradeoff is better the higher your natural bonus, due to the fact that 5 becomes a smaller percentage of the number of values that hit, you can get close to negating it with those things: if you're, say, level 13 with 20 DEX then you have a +10, up to +12 with archery style. Add Bless and now you still have a +9 or +10 even after the -5, so you only need a 5 or 6 to hit. So you're only removing 3 or 4 ways to hit out of 19, which is definitely a good deal to roughly double your damage on a hit.</p><p></p><p>Except of course once your high enough level for that, the Cleric doesn't want to be concentrating on Bless any more.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Esker, post: 7902903, member: 6966824"] Against 15 AC, to completely negate the -5 you would need to achieve a +18 to hit (because 1 misses regardless, so if after -5 you still hit on a 2, it didn't do anything). Archery gives you +2, Bless gives you another +2.5. You would need a +13 or so before archery style to [I]completely[/I] negate it, which is possible at high levels with a magic weapon. But yeah, since the tradeoff is better the higher your natural bonus, due to the fact that 5 becomes a smaller percentage of the number of values that hit, you can get close to negating it with those things: if you're, say, level 13 with 20 DEX then you have a +10, up to +12 with archery style. Add Bless and now you still have a +9 or +10 even after the -5, so you only need a 5 or 6 to hit. So you're only removing 3 or 4 ways to hit out of 19, which is definitely a good deal to roughly double your damage on a hit. Except of course once your high enough level for that, the Cleric doesn't want to be concentrating on Bless any more. [/QUOTE]
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