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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Uder" data-source="post: 5196409" data-attributes="member: 11949">Ah, I see. It's THAT kind of conversation. You're wearing a macrame belt. I say I don't like macrame belts. You claim I'm declaring people who wear macrame belts are badwrongpeople.I guess I was being derogatory ("hippy dippy everything is equal land") after the fact, because irreverent drive-bys annoy me. If you read anything other than that as derogatory, you're wearing your macrame belt a bit too tight. I regret the "wank" comment because the juvenility of it invited response in kind.I've never said you can't have fun playing whatever RPG you've got in your mind. I've said I don't have fun playing sword and sorcery type D&D games where there is no risk (to the things written on paper we call characters). I don't like playing games in general where there's not conflict or failure. I believe that in games where players feel invulnerable they start doing things that break the game.I'm not making these claims because I think this way, I'm making it because I've seen it happen in play. I've both felt that way as a player ("he won't even let traps in Rappan Athuk kill us? We may as well do the assault on Orcus at 15th level...oops"), and as a DM felt the creeping sensation that I had pulled out the kid gloves one too many times and watered down my game to an unacceptable level as a result. Immersion was gone, metagaming became the order of the day.BTW - Death is possible (and desirable) in TOON. It's just not permanent. Much like D&D. Failure in TOON is not getting enough "screen" time or not dictating the narrative as much as other players before the short is over.</blockquote>

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